🧬🫀🏞️ Human Nature Pt. 1

We welcome Julya (@Jul_to_the_yah) as our official 3rd Co-Host and dive into a sharp, honest look at Human Nature—what pulls us into crowds, what keeps us stuck, & what helps us rise. We balance jokes and stories with hard truths about Empathy, Courage, and Resilience that stick.

We use a viral toy craze (Labubu) to unpack Herd Mentality and manufactured scarcity, then widen the lens to history’s darker examples of groupthink. From there, the debate turns inward. We break down Cowardice vs. Courage, not as chest-thumping but as the quiet choice to set boundaries & take the first step. The talk sharpens around Narcissism and Users, with practical ways to spot transactional patterns, say no without guilt, & Protect your Energy.

Then we flip the script to the best of us: Compassion, Empathy, Moral Intuition, Love, and Resilience. We argue that brutal honesty is underrated—it saves time, prevents resentment, & invites the right people in. Resilience gets the spotlight as the trait that keeps every other good quality alive when life hits hard. We also acknowledge today’s fear-soaked media loop and center what we can control: think for yourself, be mindful with money, reach out when you’re spiraling, & keep your promises to yourself, one small action at a time.

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• Season Cadence, Format, & Housekeeping
• Defining Human Nature & Core Motivations
• Herd Mentality, Trends, & Manufactured Scarcity
• Laziness vs. Depression, Rest vs. Apathy
• Cowardice, Courage, & the cost of Inaction
• Narcissism, Manipulation, & Transactional Ties
• Brutal Honesty as a Cleaner way to Relate
• Compassion, Empathy, Morality, & Love
• Resilience as the Engine of Recovery
• Media Fear cycles & Personal Agency
• simple steps to think clearly and act with care

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*Intro Beat Credit: Leo Legendary*
*Outro Beat Credit: Young Frenchy 808*

Chapters

• 0:22 Julia Joins As Official Co-Host
• 1:55 Season Format, Gaps, And Accountability
• 4:31 Stunt Episodes And Challenge Ideas
• 7:57 Setting The Topic: Human Nature
• 9:15 Dislike 1: Herd Mentality And Trends
• 18:36 From Beanie Babies To Rarity Fever
• 24:40 Money, Self Control, And Obsession
• 27:52 Dislike 2: Laziness Versus Depression
• 35:00 Dislike 3: Narcissism And Using People
• 44:43 Dislike 4: Cowardice, Fear, And Action
• 55:27 Dislike 5: Transactional Relationships
• 1:03:44 Media Fear And The Good In Us
• 1:07:58 Positives: Empathy, Morality, Consciousness
• 1:13:12 Positives: Selflessness, Love, Bonds
• 1:19:42 Positives: Resilience And Why It Matters
• 1:28:02 A Real Talk Lifeline For Strugglers
• 1:33:34 Brutal Honesty And Courage Defined
• 1:41:45 Greed, Standards, And Boundaries

Transcript

SPEAKER_05: 0:22

Welcome back to the conversation that never ends this time. AJ over there to my far right is a furious. In the middle is our new, I'm just gonna say it right now within the first 30 seconds, 16 seconds of the episode. Our new third official host, we have Julia. Yeah. Cheers, cheers, cheers. Cheers to you, Miss Julia. Thank you for joining us.

SPEAKER_00: 0:51

Of course. This is fun. Welcome aboard.

SPEAKER_05: 0:53

Welcome aboard to Timeless Talk. Um, I didn't I didn't want to put cheering and crazy special effects for me and Furious in this episode because we're introducing you not as a guest this time, but as our official third and first female co-host. That's not why you agreed to it, but that's not why she agreed to it, I guess.

SPEAKER_00: 1:34

No, why not?

SPEAKER_05: 1:35

Well, I mean, hey, I'll tell you what though. Um, it's gonna be a journey. We appreciate you being on board with us. It's a it's a great thing, it's cool to have a female's perspective. This is probably the longest season we've ever had in Timeless Talk history, and I think a lot of it is because of my personal it's I blame myself. I'm not gonna blame anybody else involved in this program, it's my fault because it should be a weekly podcast, and it used to be that. I used to be on top of it, and so did my co-hosts. But since I'm the leader of it, I'm supposed to be on point, right? But then when I tell them, hey, we can't do it this week because of this, sometimes sometimes it will be the co-host that tells me they can't make it, and then there's been times, but in the past, I would still make the show go on. Does that make sense? So if one of us couldn't make it, the show must go on. So I would still do a podcast. Even if I would still do a podcast catch. Thank you. I appreciate that. I would still do a podcast even I just get myself a hand clapped. That's all Spider-Man? Shit. This is stupid. Sorry, bro. Organic moments. Oh, oh, you catch the fucking lunch and shit from Mary Jane and all that? The first Spider-Man? Nah, bro, the fucking that was good though. I appreciate that. Nah, but um I I I take accountability for that one because without going into something too long or anything prolonged, this season it's been a mixture of personal struggles going on, right? And things that have been going on, some type of setbacks I'm having having and stuff like that, a lot of distractions and it shows on the outside.

SPEAKER_00: 3:05

You have two little girls, don't be so hard on yourself.

SPEAKER_05: 3:07

No, I know, but still, even when I had that was never an excuse before. You know, me even with children before, I still made it happen. If you look at our track record and our fans and our viewers out there and listeners who know, they know that it used to be a weekly podcast and they expected the two-month break after because they knew how it worked. 16 episodes, they get a little break time and then we'll hear from them again. And even during that break, we would give them bonus episodes. Were you ever there for any of those? I don't think so, huh? But yeah, we sideshow knows, and so does B Money. We would we would do maybe one or two episodes within that three months. Normally it'd be just two. So we do get a break, but within those, I think which is fair, within those 90 days, we'll still do two episodes for them. So they'll have some type of content in between seasons. Does that make sense? I didn't tell you this on the phone when we talked about it earlier, but you I did tell you the format, right? 16 and then break time, and then anyway, we would give them 16 a break, and then two during the break, so they have some type of bonus episode, whether that's us trying something crazy, like we've done a hot challenge. Remember that? We hit the fucking Carolina Reaper. So we we do stuff like that. I don't know how you feel about stuff like that.

unknown: 4:07

Yeah, I love stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05: 4:08

Oh, hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 4:09

It is fun. We gotta do another that experience though. Hell no, never again.

SPEAKER_01: 4:14

Never again. What is that?

SPEAKER_03: 4:16

Oh, you want to tell her if you're just give her a short break.

SPEAKER_04: 4:19

So, okay, so you know the um the uh pocket chip challenge, the one chip where it's like a hot chip. So in in instead of that, I actually bought like Carolina Reapers. They're like dried out.

SPEAKER_00: 4:30

Like actual chilies?

SPEAKER_04: 4:32

Yeah, yes. So they weren't fresh, but they were like they were like they were uh dehydrated, right? So we bought what do we got? What did we get? Doubles?

SPEAKER_05: 4:41

No, we went to the works. Yeah, the works works in Lancaster. All about burgers and shit. We all got burgers. Um Challenger, whatever.

SPEAKER_04: 4:49

We put um chilies like on each burger. I took two like a fucking idiot. And then like I did two.

SPEAKER_03: 4:56

You you took two. You said you said we're all we're all doing two, so but you didn't eat the whole burger though. Did you? Yeah, I did. You did? But you it was slideshow they didn't finish it. Okay, yeah. So yeah. We have proof, okay?

SPEAKER_04: 5:08

That shit was crazy though. Like, yeah, I shouldn't have had two. If I had one, it'll be it would have been fine.

SPEAKER_05: 5:14

But two, it was that was horrible. And I'm only gonna say, and I'm only gonna say what happened because he was there for it and it's on the record. My boy gets up, walks out, and you hear him yakking outside the off the balcony. Bro was just yakking, letting it out. This was at the old studio, by the way. This is not the new place. This is at the old place. I didn't have a balcony at the other place, but this one has a balcony, so if you need to, brother, go ahead. You got it.

unknown: 5:36

It was so funny.

SPEAKER_05: 5:37

You know, but uh it was funny because yeah, he went out there and I just heard him and I was like, man, I was proud of myself. I did better than I thought I was gonna do. The thing is, too, everything everything after that came out hot. It uh no. It was bad. We we look, we haven't done a hot challenge since. I don't want to do one because we all suffered like badly for like a week and a half after that. Like it was bad. So I mean you say you don't want to again? I was gonna say I was gonna trust.

SPEAKER_00: 5:59

The nitro gummy. No, no, no. No, the one where I'm thinking, because now you guys you guys want a woman's perspective and you guys have me on because I'm a woman. Uh we should do the there's a machine that you hook up right here, and it makes you feel period cramps.

SPEAKER_05: 6:15

I take this back. Oh, an app machine? I take it back.

SPEAKER_00: 6:18

And I and I will be the one that controls it.

SPEAKER_05: 6:22

I'm down to do it. Fuck yeah. Let's do it. That'd be funny as fuck. Let's get we should we should look into that and see if we can get one of those.

SPEAKER_00: 6:28

Because I know what period cramps feel like, but we don't, you know.

SPEAKER_05: 6:32

Okay, I'm down to try something like that. We can do something like that. Okay. But yeah, no, so basically, you know, that's what we would do. Stuff like that. That would be kind of like what the bonus episodes would be, such as those. But that's that's that's how our formula normally is. Season five, again, this season's a bad example, but next season, season six is obviously gonna be different. I want to get back on form. I've been telling Furious that too. He knows. I just want to kind of get back on on the saddle, promote better, you know, kind of make more marketing and eventually make some merchandise, stickers, all that stuff. We're gonna kind of like push it out there more. So for you, you get what I'm saying? Like, it's gonna be different for season six going forward. It's been nice having you here as well. You sure you don't want an alias? You think Julia, you wanna before we get into this topic, you want to just settle with that name you don't want to do.

SPEAKER_00: 7:13

Everybody, yeah, people call me jewels all the time. Okay, we'll do jewels then.

SPEAKER_05: 7:19

Which one do you like the best? Which one do you want to market yourself as?

SPEAKER_00: 7:22

Jules. Okay, yeah, because my sister, uh yeah, they all call me that.

SPEAKER_05: 7:26

I like that Jules, Furious, and AJ. See, because we all kind of already had our little aliases, you know.

SPEAKER_00: 7:29

Okay, so that's I don't know. I was supposed to have one, I would have thought.

SPEAKER_03: 7:33

No, you're not you don't have to. That's what I'm saying. You can stick with Julia if you want to, but it's up to you.

SPEAKER_00: 7:38

Hmm?

SPEAKER_03: 7:38

With your with your government name, you could.

SPEAKER_00: 7:40

I kind of want to stick with my government name. Is that weird? No, no, that's fine. I don't know. Yeah, I like Julia. That's who you are. Yeah, Julia.

SPEAKER_05: 7:46

That's fine. Yeah, Julia. Okay, Julia's fine. We'll stick with that then. You can say Jules if we want to here and there, but Julia Yeah, Julia or Jules, whatever. You might see that pop up on some tool on some merch in the future. We'll see. We'll we're gonna make things for the podcast that are coming soon. I have some ideas, I have some designs I gotta share with you guys. But anyway, with all that being said, we're gonna finally move into today's topic. You guys, uh, we're gonna speak on human nature. Now, human nature is something that all of us obviously experience, right? People around us, we humans in this species, obviously, this is how we move. And obviously, the definition of human nature is in my own words, right? Uh why we do what we do, right? To simplify it, to put it that way, right?

SPEAKER_01: 8:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 8:26

And then obviously, what are what are your what are your um motivations for your actions? Why do you do what you do, right? How do you do what you do? So we're gonna look into that today. Obviously, um, I didn't come up with the idea for the topic, Furious did. So shout out to you, Furious. Good job with that topic. Oh, thank you. Furious asked us off the record, and I'm saying it now for you guys to know here. Uh, he asked us to come up with five things that we like about that we like and that we think are positive about human nature, and then five things we don't like and that we we dislike and we think are negative about human nature, right? Which one of us wants to go first? The floor to you guys.

SPEAKER_00: 9:02

He picked the topic.

SPEAKER_05: 9:05

Okay, cool. Safurious, you first, sir. Go ahead, man. Get us started. Let's go. Alright. Hold on.

SPEAKER_03: 9:12

Let you start it up, bro.

SPEAKER_04: 9:16

So I'll say, okay, I'll say the first thing that I don't like about human nature is is the the group thinking.

SPEAKER_05: 9:21

Oh, so we're starting, we're starting with dislikes first. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 9:24

Oh, yeah, this is dislikes for sure. All right, like for me, you know what I'm saying? Just because that's I think that's what has the most like not necessarily the most profound impact because because good nature can have good impact too, but it's just like the bad parts about human nature cause just suffering and you know what I'm saying, pain and just dysfunction, you know. So it does it, it's it's equally significant, probably more, you know. But yeah, I definitely don't like like group thinking mentality when it applies to just things that would that that don't make sense, people kind of like blindly follow it. Yeah. I've never liked that.

SPEAKER_00: 9:58

I'm always like, why do you think the laboooboo thing?

SPEAKER_04: 10:01

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05: 10:02

It's like trends, you know, but he's talking that's a trend though.

SPEAKER_04: 10:04

Wait, what is that? What is that?

SPEAKER_00: 10:05

Oh, never mind.

SPEAKER_04: 10:06

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05: 10:07

You don't you know what the lubuis is? You do know what it is. You don't know you've seen it.

SPEAKER_00: 10:10

It's a trend where it's like the stuffed animal and everyone wants it and it's ugly.

SPEAKER_04: 10:16

It looks like the like a wannabe troll. It's like what wild things are. Yeah, that's fucking furry demon. That looks fucking crazy. Some furry demon, bro.

SPEAKER_00: 10:23

Everybody's following that and want and then following the trend. No one knows why. And and I I'm still trying to figure out why you want that.

SPEAKER_05: 10:30

Yeah. Let me show you some shit actually. It's crazy you say that. Let me guys show me guys some. I'm gonna show first before I show it to you, I'm gonna tell you about it real quick. Let's cut out, but labooboos. They say that they're supposed to be their demons. And then I guess plural, when there's a bunch of them, they're called labubis instead of like laboo boos with an S, you know, apostrophe yes. They're called Labubis, huh? Is that the name in the kind of big thing? I don't know if it's in the Bible. I don't know if it is biblical. That's a great question. I should have looked into it further. I should have researched it. I didn't know we were gonna talk about labu-boos today, otherwise I would have researched it more. But we'll look into that. I'll get back to you guys probably at some point, maybe during the episode, maybe not during this episode. But anyway, I'll give you a quick little breakdown real quick and we'll get back to the topic. Lebubis from a video that I saw, and I'll show it to you guys later. There was a video that I saw on uh, I think it was randomly on Facebook or Instagram, or for which one I was on. I think it was Instagram. But um, this guy pops up and he's talking about oh, you know, it's actually their demons. He didn't say if it was biblical, but that if you collect enough of them, the actual labobu will come visit you or some crazy shit. Sounds like a sounds like a man. Yeah, almost like that. But that but that supposedly they really are pet. He said they either demons or pets to demons. And I don't know if he created the image with with AI, it could be just bullshit, honestly. It could just be someone trying to make start up urban legend off of these little weird creatures that we like to collect now. It could just be something innocent that they thought was cute and someone made it and made it a collectible. But I don't know, I had to do my research first, but that's what I heard. I don't know if you guys hear anything creepy like that about them, but that's what I heard.

SPEAKER_04: 11:56

Nah, I mean, honestly, I mean, I think I saw like like one time, I didn't really understand it. And I'm but like, but like Julia said, I'm like, like, why do these trends, like some of these trends are just like mindless trends, you know, and people just do it because everyone else is doing it. You know what I'm saying? And like that, that goes from politics to freaking spirituality, whatever you want to call it, right? There's always some type of trend, and people just kind of like, oh, is is this what people are like talking about? Oh, let me just let me just okay, let me let me hop on the train. Let me just like be about this when you really, you really aren't or you really don't understand what's going on. But people, it's crazy like how people will just like because the herd's going with it, they'll go with it too. No, I mean, even if it doesn't like make even if it doesn't make any sense. True. You know, and I don't re that's one thing I really don't like because it's like think, you know, like think for for for yourself.

SPEAKER_00: 12:41

Think for yourself, yeah. Like have your own opinion. Like you don't have to follow just because people like no, I get what you're saying. That's true. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 12:48

No, no, I agree. I agree.

SPEAKER_00: 12:49

Yeah, because it's it's almost like it yeah, it's human it it sucks, but yeah, it's you it's the bad side of human nature.

SPEAKER_04: 12:56

Yeah, like let's take okay, like let's take uh an an example for like way back in the day when people used to get stoned to death, right? I'm pretty sure in in very small parts of the world they still do get stoned to death, but like back in the day when it was more acceptable, right?

SPEAKER_00: 13:09

Like why would Yeah but when they would hang you and then all the like town folks would watch. Yeah. Yeah, that was weird.

SPEAKER_04: 13:15

You know, but like but like everyone burn them at the stake, right?

SPEAKER_00: 13:18

The witches, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But like anything would be considered as a witch. Like you sneeze like three times. She's a witch, or yeah, or you I don't know. Anything abnormal. Just very rapidly out of the ordinary.

SPEAKER_04: 13:29

Out of the ordinary and then and then people just fall in line. You know, they don't even question like the freaking logic about it. It's kind of scary.

SPEAKER_05: 13:35

It's a scary part of nature, it is.

SPEAKER_04: 13:37

And back then, like I know, like let's say during the during the Salem like witch trials, right? If someone had a beef against you, they'll just say that you're a witch. You're fucked, yeah. That's just part of the trend. They'll they'll use the trend on you.

SPEAKER_05: 13:48

Did they need evidence back then? Or like no. He said it must be true. So uh suspicion. She was levitating in the middle of town. I saw it.

SPEAKER_04: 13:55

I saw it. She and she spoke in pig Latin or Oh, hell no.

SPEAKER_05: 13:59

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_04: 14:00

And yeah, I just it's just that's always been the weirdest thing about it to me. I'm like, people so easily because it's because everyone's saying it, it's true. You know what I mean? I don't know. It's just no, no, that's good.

SPEAKER_05: 14:10

That's a good question.

SPEAKER_04: 14:11

That's a scary thing about it to me with human nature because people just follow.

SPEAKER_03: 14:15

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04: 14:16

That is no one's like, you know what? Damn, that's the point, bro. Let me think if this is even right. First of all, you know, they're just like, oh no, everyone's doing it. I'm sure that's not the case for everybody.

SPEAKER_05: 14:24

Thank God everybody at this table has the power to think for themselves, man. Because you know what's funny? Just to just to kind of call it free will. Yes. To piggyback on what he's saying, though. I agree with you. It is free will. But it's like, I if I don't like something genuinely, I'm not gonna pretend like I do. Like I think the laboobos look like shit. I'm sorry who I offend out there to our viewers and listeners. I don't get it. If you like collecting laboo-boos out there, no, no shade on you guys. We appreciate your viewership and listening streams. Keep it up, please. No shade on you. But I will say, my personal opinion, I don't see that, I don't understand it. Like I'm sure you're gonna harp on in a second here. They look ugly to me. I don't think they look cool. You know what? I think the only way I see myself buying into a trend like that is if I actually genuinely had an interest or liked what I was seeing. Would you agree?

SPEAKER_01: 15:10

Of course.

SPEAKER_05: 15:11

Like if I thought it was cool to wear that shit clip to my belt, like some people do. I've seen people do that. They'll clip it to their belt loop.

SPEAKER_00: 15:18

The girls, it's the purse. Or they'll put it in their TV or TV.

SPEAKER_05: 15:22

Yeah, exactly. I've seen women do that. She's right. I've seen girls loop it to their purse. Is this a pattern item or what? I don't know. I thought it was just an item you kept hanging from the you know, from the rear view mirror of your car. I've seen people do that. Or is it like a dream catcher? It could be that above your bed. Some people put it on their shelves in their room. People put it on their boat, yeah. Stuff like that, bro. Like some voodoo shit. That's what I'm saying, bro. And the fact that it's a creepy little troll-looking thing, like you said, from the from the War where the wild things dwell, where the wild things are, bro, it just it looks creepy to me. I don't, I don't see, I don't understand the gimmick. It's almost like of collecting these fucking things. Yeah, it's like a mobile. And they go for$50,$60,$70 a pop. I'm like, why? Hold up. Oh, you showed them what it looks like? Yes, bro. And that's just look at them.

SPEAKER_03: 16:03

Furious. Look how much they're going for. I don't know. Are they handmade? I don't know. I guess so.

SPEAKER_00: 16:10

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_05: 16:12

I even saw a video where some guy was joking with another guy who had a fake one. He's like, hey man, the face has to be made out of hard plastic or it's not a real labu-boo. I'm like, what the fuck? Has to have like, what does it have? Like uh chinchilla fur around its face and shit? Like, it's not the right type of fur. It's not a real one, bro. I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_04: 16:29

I will say this like as far as it being like like let's say Is it minkus? I don't like yes, that's not mink fur, bro.

SPEAKER_03: 16:36

It's fake. All right, that's not a real Libubius, okay?

SPEAKER_04: 16:39

I mean, as far as it's being like a like an action figure, I can see like the the um appeal. I can see it because it's it's almost like those like those um homie sculptures. Yeah, they they compare them to like Pokemon cards.

SPEAKER_05: 16:50

Oh, like homies are Pokemon cards? That's true.

SPEAKER_00: 16:52

The ones that you would get from the little band machine machine. Those are kind of cool, bro. Yeah, I guess. Hey, that was a good reference, though, dog. Like a different trend.

SPEAKER_05: 17:00

Yeah, that one's cool. I like that one. Furious shit.

SPEAKER_01: 17:03

The trollos and the little cholas and shit. Those were dope, though.

SPEAKER_05: 17:06

Hey, the homies were cool, bro. I remember my homie had a poster in his room, all of them.

SPEAKER_04: 17:11

Because with the artwork, like I can just see, like, it's so it's it's it makes it more uh it's like I don't know how to say it.

SPEAKER_05: 17:18

You know what they're compared to? They said they're the mod they're the modern day beanie babies.

SPEAKER_00: 17:22

Oh, yeah, the beanie babies.

SPEAKER_05: 17:24

Think about it. It makes sense because beanie babies had a shit ton of different colors, right? Different animals.

SPEAKER_00: 17:29

Seven half bucks is crazy.

SPEAKER_05: 17:30

That's what I'm saying, bro. We're trying to tell you. 550. Bro, can you believe that? Why? Because it's it's a it's a limited edition one. Remember, none of these none of these are the same. But that's a thing. There are some that are limited editions, like some that are different moderns. But that's the thing. So like Pokemon cards, rarities, which ones are rares? It supposedly they are.

SPEAKER_04: 17:48

Because if they're handmade, if if they're if like there's a just like one or two like you know, individuals making it, I can see that. It's because you know it's it's it's the collective shit.

SPEAKER_05: 17:59

No, of course. That I can see too. See, when when you're doing that, you're showing them QC. Hey, there's quality here. This is something that one of that's why a lot of them are numbered, I heard. This is one of 150. So when you'll be one of the ones, if you keep this shit one day, it's gonna be worth a lot more. So I like how you compared it to Pokemon cards because that there is a truth to that.

SPEAKER_03: 18:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 18:17

Pokemon cards, a lot of the ones that I have in my collection are gonna be worth a lot of money one day. They're already worth a lot of money. So I know that if I store them away, like which is what I plan to do, it's gonna be a nice little gold miner you're sitting on later on in life, just like the ones from the 90s were. So that was a great comparison of Pokemon cards that you made because the rarity does vary. Right. And some of those cards were they there's that when they stop producing them and you have a mint conditioned version of that card that was never printed again.

SPEAKER_00: 18:40

That's going back to the negative side of human nature though.

SPEAKER_05: 18:43

It is. But but but I will say this though, it's gonna be I well, yes and no. I think it's I think it's negative if you don't have a handle on it, if you don't have self-control. If you're putting, you're blowing money that you don't have money on it for it. You see what I'm saying? If you're not doing it, exactly. If you're being irresponsible with it, if you're gambling with it, if you're spending money you know you shouldn't be spending. Like you said, you're taking rent money, you're gonna ruin your fucking marriage doing shit like that. You see what I'm saying? I stopped collecting cool Pokemon cards because I'm not an idiot. If I don't have money to, if I don't have extra funds to buy that shit, I'm not buying it. I don't give a fuck. You're crazy, you know what I mean? You're you're nuts. I'm not gonna go. I know where my but that's because I have self-control. See, not everybody has that. So you're right. It can absolutely play into negative human nature because people are stupid with their money sometimes. I have to have this labooboo, man. There was only one in five in the entire world. Like, you're a fucking idiot, bro. But in 20 years, I won't be. Honestly, it's like okay.

SPEAKER_04: 19:37

I think like like in like I'm pretty sure there's gonna be a a point in time, right? Maybe uh where someone gets killed over one of those.

SPEAKER_05: 19:44

Oh, I wouldn't doubt it. You know what I mean? Especially if you get a new labu. No, no, she laughs now. Dude, I wouldn't doubt that someone got killed over over a beanie baby. That was probably one of ten. I wouldn't doubt it. Like a hello kitty.

SPEAKER_00: 19:54

Yeah, some crazy stupid shit. And people were getting stabbed over it. But I give that I give that to Popeyes because you did really good marketing because people were in line and were just, I want the sandwich, I want the sandwich. So yeah, they you know, Popeyes did a good advertisement for it, but that's another trend. Because why are you gonna stab somebody for a fucking chicken sandwich? That makes no sense to me. But you know what? Whatever.

SPEAKER_03: 20:26

No, hey, hey, Julia's right. Imagine like, imagine getting stabbed for a sandwich, man. If for the person that did that, congratulations. You played yourself.

SPEAKER_05: 20:34

You really did, bro. You're like fucking sandwich. Fuck. It's like, motherfucker, really? You really want to give me that fucking sandwich? Tastes good. I hope it didn't come to shooting like that for that, man. But you never know, bro.

SPEAKER_00: 20:47

Which one's your your other one? I I'm curious to hear.

SPEAKER_05: 20:50

Oh, of course. Yeah, of course, bro. Unless you want to go, you guys want to go one each. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00: 20:55

No, no. I I want to hear all of his his bad ones and his good ones.

SPEAKER_04: 20:59

Let's go furious. Go ahead. Another thing I I don't like about human nature, laziness. Sloth. Hell yeah. I hate that shit.

SPEAKER_01: 21:05

You're so funny. I put that in mind too.

SPEAKER_04: 21:07

I hate that shit.

SPEAKER_05: 21:08

I hate that about myself sometimes. I'm gonna cap with you guys. You know. Fuck, bro. That's a big one, right?

SPEAKER_04: 21:14

But it's like, it's not just laziness, it's like it's like it's like apathy with with laziness. It's just someone who just doesn't give a fuck. You know, just like eh. Whatever. You know what I'm saying? And just it should just happen. Like, I don't know. I feel like if you have the opportunity to uh to uh change something and it's right there in in front of you and you're not doing anything willingly, it's just like it's just a waste. You know what I mean? And facts. I don't know. Just cause I cause laziness comes in many forms, you know? And I guess maybe the forms that I've seen is just so like repulsive, you know? And I'm like, oh why?

SPEAKER_05: 21:47

It is repulsive. It's not a it's not a happy trait to have. Yeah. And it's not attractive either. The opposite sex is gonna be attractive. I love how fucking lazy you are. I love it. I love how you're on the couch and you don't do shit all day. No one's gonna say that, bro. Like, that's not gonna be said out loud, you know what I mean? It's just not like come on.

SPEAKER_04: 22:03

Because laziness, like, there's nothing, you don't get anything from it, you know what I'm saying? Like, I I understand people have lazy days, right? Where like you don't want to do shit, but that's a trap, too.

SPEAKER_05: 22:12

I think that is a trap. I think those are okay if again, if you have if you have self-control, right? Right. If you limit yourself, this is where accountability comes in, right? If you're able to hold yourself accountable and tell yourself, I'm gonna allow you to have a day self where I don't just do, I do whatever the fuck I want, whether that's sitting on the couch chilling, playing video games all day, you better be back on your shit though, yeah, the next day. Because if you're not, you're you bro, you gotta be on your own head about it. I feel like you have to learn how to be that because it's easy if you like say it out loud, it's easy to say it, and then fucking week goes by, you didn't get shit done. You know what I mean? You're doing the same thing that you said you were gonna do for one day, that one day turned into seven somehow, right? You say haven't done anything about that. Which exactly, which I think is terrible. But as long as you catch it, I think if you've say you did let the seven days go by, if you catch it and then stop yourself from doing that again or repeating that ever again, then I think you're finally onto something and you're showing yourself, you're proving to yourself first and foremost, before you show everybody else, that you do have accountability, you do have self-control, you can get a handle on this, you can change it, you know what I mean? Those things are important. But yeah, to add to what he was saying, that's all I wanted to say about that. But what you know, did you say do you want anything you want to add to that?

SPEAKER_00: 23:20

Or I will say this. Um I think that for uh some time in my life I was it it was perceived as laziness, but I was actually really, really depressed. Um, I was very miserable in my last relationship, and I felt like I had given so much to this one person and I couldn't give any more. Like I didn't I didn't have anything for me, everything was going to them. Um, so I had hit a point, like a pinnacle where I was just like, I just don't care anymore. I don't care anymore. And I had given up on myself, and that's not a good thing. Like that's that's actually really, really unhealthy. And that's why you're you and like you have to be mindful of yourself and your actions and stuff like that, because you do need you you have to show up for yourself because nobody's gonna show up for you. So I think there are stages in people's lives where it does look like laziness, and it might actually be laziness, it really actually might be like they don't care to further their future, they don't care to further anything else, or they don't care to get out of bed, you know. And there are days where you're gonna be lazy, of course. It's fine, you're tired, you did this, you did that. But for me, there was a time where it did look like I was being lazy, but I was actually just really grown going through something. Like I was actually really, really struggling to just wake up in the morning. Like it was so hard. I I just remember like putting my makeup on for work and just being like, I don't understand why I'm doing this. Like it just didn't process, but I was so I was like in such a dark place at the time that I didn't even know it. So I think when I had that realization, when I walked out of that miserable uh relationship, when I did break up with that person, and then I was I had actual time to focus on myself and and give all the energy that I had to just me, then I wasn't lazy. Like then I was just like, okay, I want to get up and I want to go jog, I want to go to the gym, I want to do this. Like then I had that motivation, but because I got out of that negative headspace and then got into my own and figured out what really drives me and what I really want out of life and how I really want my ending to be like. So I feel like that's yes, it it yes, like I get it. It's like a debate. Like, yes, you're either lazy, you're unmotivated, or you're depressed, and it and it, and it's like you are lazy, and I it it seems like you're lazy, but you're not. And I had to like forgive myself for being quote unquote lazy back then, but it just it wasn't that. I was just like crying for help at that point, like it on the inside, not on the outside. Um I yes, so I do understand what you mean when you say I don't like laziness because I don't either, like I will never go back to I don't care how sad I am or how much I'm going through it, I'm still gonna get up and show up because I realized that that didn't benefit me at all. Like that that stage in my life and that era, and like what I think it lasted for like two years. Um, that didn't benefit. It didn't get me anywhere. Yeah. So now I know because you know, my conscience and everything, like now I am mindful. I'll never go back to that. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 26:33

That's good. All right. Okay, appreciate that.

SPEAKER_05: 26:35

Okay, let's give her an applause, yo. Hella deep. We're glad to see that you had some growth there.

SPEAKER_04: 26:45

Yeah, but that's just one of those things I just that's like like a pet peeve. Yeah. Right there. That's actually even more than like still counts, though, as one of your negative.

SPEAKER_05: 26:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 26:53

Because laziness is like, that's like a that's like an individual, you know what I'm saying? Group thinking. I mean, yes, it's individuals, but it's you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05: 26:59

It's so when you say group thinking, you were you were saying that's trends. That's another trends, right?

SPEAKER_04: 27:03

I'm talking about like when the masses just follow something. Like a society. A society. Because like multi multiple people and they try to create trends.

SPEAKER_05: 27:10

Like someone actually created a trend that we're following, mindlessly.

SPEAKER_04: 27:13

No, not necessarily like like someone making a trend, just people following it, just people buying into it. Mindlessly buying into it, say when it comes to uh a good example, World War II, Hitler.

SPEAKER_00: 27:23

Everyone was like, Yeah, kill the Jews, all this stuff. And then there's such a bigger topic that goes into that. Like, I'm not gonna say that lightly, like that's that was a really, really rough time. Like that was really rough, but it's like you had this person that was such a good speaker because he was. He was a great speaker. History talks about it, how great of a speaker he was. So he he fuck that guy. So he led these people and everybody else to think like, yes, he's in the right, and then look what happened. Yep. He he made a genocide and made it look like it was a good thing to do a genocide. So I get what you mean. It's not a trend, it's it's like being like not being able to think for yourself and being like, wait, this is wrong. Yeah. When there's a like pretty much a dictator telling you it is right.

SPEAKER_04: 28:07

Right. But it's it's like, I mean, with with in that, in that like specific scenario, I think, because he was very like charismatic. And he and he was also part of the people, right? So he he he came from the element too. So he could already relate to the struggles that that they had. So he already knew what what to tap into to bring them all to to his side, right? And honestly, I because at that point they had nothing to lose, you know. So that's I mean, he that that that's the the example of it used masterfully, you know what I'm saying? Use like someone who knows about about like the effects like of people um you know committing to an idea, you know what I'm saying? So he already kind of knew, he knew what he was working with, I think, and you know, he just he just took a chance on that, and it worked for him, you know.

SPEAKER_05: 28:51

Crazy uh mass manipulation, if you know how to do it, right? It doesn't always work though.

SPEAKER_04: 28:55

It doesn't always work. Sometimes people are you know they're very privy to it and they're like, no what? Like, I'm not gonna buy into this, and they and they'll tell other people not to buy into it. That gives me hope for humanity if that happens more often than not. But I but I think more people get get hoodwinked than people get you know um led, you know, led to the light, you know? So because there's always forces that are trying to put you in in the darkness again. You know, as as soon as you like see you like see the light, another thing's trying to put you in the dark. Yep.

SPEAKER_05: 29:20

You know, so it's like a constant battle, man. Isn't that crazy how that works?

SPEAKER_04: 29:24

Yeah, yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. What's your next one though, brother? My next one, alright. So narcissism. I don't like that shit either. You know what I'm saying? So narcissism, so that could be either like, okay, either narcissism or extreme like self-centeredness, self, you know, selfishness. Like, that's one thing I don't like about people. You know what I mean? Just people who were will uh step on any anyone and everything just to get what they want at the expense of everyone else. Like that's just I've never fucked with that shit, you know.

SPEAKER_05: 29:54

Me either.

SPEAKER_04: 29:54

Never never been like that either, you know.

SPEAKER_05: 29:56

Purely self-interest only.

SPEAKER_04: 29:58

You know, and like they don't care. I mean, and so sometimes like they have, you know, their their origin story, it makes sense why they're like that, but I still don't like condone it. You know, I agree.

SPEAKER_05: 30:08

Even if it makes sense, it doesn't make it right. Yeah you could have you could have at least strive striven for a different path, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 30:13

And there's people like that who just who just think that the world is just their fig and playground, you know, and that it's all about them, and oh, if you're not with me, like you're against me, and it's like that, that type of like Machiavellian thinking, it's just it's just I don't know, it's it's it doesn't it it just doesn't resonate with me, you know. I know some people might resonate with it, you know what I'm saying, because they benefit from you know from that way of thinking. You know, I just think it's just very dysfunctional and I mean personally evil, you know what I'm saying? Because you're getting your gains at the expense of someone else's suffering, you know what I'm saying? Because that's usually what comes from dealing with people like that, you know, in some sh in some shape or form. Yeah, you know, they're they're either stealing your time, they're using your your environment against you, like they're there's they're manipulating something against you. You're the one who's dealing with with the fallout, you know, and then they're getting the benefit of either your presence, you know what I'm saying, your your investment, your energy, your your your your loyalty, and you're getting shit. You know what I'm saying? It's just it's it's not an even exchange. They're takers. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And and they don't care about being takers. You know what I'm saying? It's true. Like they'll take any everything and everything from you. You know what I'm saying? If you benefits them, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 31:24

Yeah, and then they'll use people in certain situations to get what they want ultimately. You gotta be able to see people will tell you. Sorry, did you finish your thought? I don't want to cut you off. I finished. I I feel like to add to that, um, people people will try to do whatever they can to make it disguise it, but it will show through cracks. I think eventually, if you pay close enough attention to their actions and how they move, you'll start to see it. I feel, don't you guys? I mean, I feel like people are just they tell you who they are, who they are, whether that's through their actions or what their actual words, you most of the time it's through their actions. Yeah, for sure. You know what I mean? That's all I have to add to that. Narcissists are they try to hide behind that guy's, but reality is you can never hide it. They can't you can't. It'll it'll eventually show. I agree. I mean, it's biblical, man. I feel like in God said it perfectly in this in the in the Bible. Whatever is done in darkness shall be brought to the light. There you go. So with that being said, that's all I got to add to that. Go ahead, Julia. What do you got?

SPEAKER_00: 32:16

Um, I'm just gonna stay quiet on this one.

SPEAKER_05: 32:19

Okay. Because she could be like, Yeah, I'll be there for a minute.

SPEAKER_00: 32:22

I can't wait for an hour. You know, we're just not gonna do that.

SPEAKER_05: 32:26

Say that for another day. Yeah. All right, next one. Uh is that is that for your negatives, or do you got any more?

SPEAKER_04: 32:30

No, I got more. It was five. Do you have any positives at all?

SPEAKER_00: 32:34

I think it's five. Oh yeah, five. So that was a few. So what you like about human nature, what you don't like. Right, right, that's right. So it's this is the what third one.

SPEAKER_04: 32:40

No, this is the fourth one, no. Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 32:41

Okay, this is the fourth one.

SPEAKER_04: 32:42

Fourth one. So cowardice. Oh, you know, just being scared to take action, you know what I'm saying? Like, just like being paralyzed by fear. You know what I'm saying? That to me, that's always been like a been like a repulsive trait to me. Like, just like like like you won't do anything. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's right there in your face. Like you have the opportunity to change everything and you're not gonna do it because you're scared. You know what I'm saying? I don't like then and the thing, I think with this one, the reason why I don't like this one is because I know at one point in life, I think everyone has this. Not everybody, but a lot of people have this, you know what I'm saying? I think at one point in life I had it too. Where I was just not because I didn't know the future, I'm like, damn, like, I don't know like what I should do. You know what I'm saying? But there's a point in my life where I where I realized I'm like, my life's gonna end. You know what I'm saying? One day I gotta do something. If I don't do it now, like it's gonna get done for me. And not and not the way that I want. You know what I'm saying? So I just fucking took a chance. And ever since then, I just I've been so cool with just facing fear and facing like just facing the the unknown. I'm like, fuck it, like shit. What's the worst that can happen to me?

SPEAKER_00: 33:45

It is what it is, it's gonna come at me regardless of whether I'm afraid or I'm brave enough or I'm coward or not. Yeah, that's that's a good one. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_04: 33:53

Yeah, but like, but like you'll see it in life and like in many things in different, like, in different areas, you'll just see it, and it's like, bro, like what are you scared about? You know what I'm saying? Just we can do it. Like, but I think sometimes like some people's lives have been so safe, been so been so like protected. Yeah, they're they're not used to like uncertainty. They're not used to just to just hey shit's gonna fuck up. You know what I'm saying? Like, you have no control, they're not used to not having like control or or the illusion of it, you know? And they're and they're safe behind like, okay, like I just eh, not for me. You know what I'm saying? Definitely, yeah. No, that's facts, bro. So I think it takes a lot of growth to get out of it. I think most people have that like when they're young. I think just peace just some people break out of it and just some don't. You know what I'm saying? I agree. Some people are born, they're just fearless. They're just fearless, you know what I'm saying? But that's also, you know, you know, coupled by something else a little more deranged, too. You know, they're probably psychotic or some shit. You know what I'm saying? Like there's a reason why they don't have that. No, no, no, no, for sure. So um, but yeah, like like like when you are able to get past that or grow past that, it you know, you you become a lot more powerful, you know. But cowardice is definitely to me is is a weakness. Yeah, no, I agree. And it's a it's a repulsive weakness.

SPEAKER_05: 35:02

All right. So before I share my thought, Julia, you go first and uh we'll have to go.

SPEAKER_00: 35:06

Um no, definitely. I think I was very I I think I was a coward at one point for sure. I I couldn't stand up for myself. I couldn't um speak my truth. I I don't know why I was so afraid of saying what I had to say or or fully show my personality. That's why I go back to saying I I was shy. I don't think I'm shy anymore. I was very quiet and reserved, but but I also pick and choose who I can be open with and who I can't. So I think that's why I say no, no, I'm not saying that, but I'm saying like now that I'm getting older and you know, you go through life and stuff like that. Yes, I think I was a little bit of actually no, a lot of a lot of a coward for sure. Because I wasn't able to stand up for myself and and I didn't have any boundaries. I wasn't able to say, like, oh, you know what, I don't like this, and this is final. I put my foot down, blah, blah, blah. Like, I would let people run all over me. So, in a way that that is coward, that you're being a coward, you're not standing up for yourself, you're not respecting yourself, you're not doing this. So, yes, I did do that and it led me nowhere, and it didn't make me feel good. So, no, fuck you. I am gonna tell you how it is now. And I am gonna stand up for myself. And if I see something going on, like, especially when it comes to children, like I don't know. I think I have such a hot, uh, soft spot for kids because they are so innocent and they are so pure. If I see somebody doing something to a kid or a parent, like I'm I'm I'm gonna step in. Or if there's a really nice person, like, okay, I'll give you an example. Um, I went to it, it was a long time ago. I was in Washington, and um, I we were at a I was at a winery, and this waiter was such a sweetheart. He was such a sweetheart, he was so nice to us, to everybody. But then these two bozos were drunk, like wine drunk, and they were like like not being nice to him. Like they were like, so he cut them off because they were too drunk. Like he was just like, okay, well, he's like, I'm gonna take this bottle away. And they were just like, What? And then and then the guy got up and he was like, Fuck you, dude. And then he left, and I'm just like, this waiter's so sweet. So what I ended up doing was like, I ended up like stepping in. I said, Hey, I'm so sorry that you went through that, but you're doing a really good job. Like, you're so kind. And then his girl, the one that walked away, his girl was like, Well, why are you saying that? And I was literally ready to beat this bitch down. Like, I didn't care. Like, I told her, I was like, she was like, and they took our bottle of wine away. I'm like, I didn't take it. He did because you don't know how to handle your alcohol. And then, like, she stayed quiet, but she was like coming at me for a while, and I was just like, Nope, I'm gonna stand up if you're nice, if you're sweet, no, I'm not gonna do that. So that's my opinion on it. Like, I think if you see something, say something. Like, it doesn't mean you're a snitch, like you know how they say snitches get stitches. No, there's a difference. Like, stand up for what you think is right and for for what you know is right because human nature, like, we have consciousness and deep down inside when we do somebody wrong, you know that it's not right. You're just not gonna say, you're gonna make an excuse for saying, like, oh, I did this because of this. No, stop being a piece of shit and take accountability and stand up for those people that don't know how to stand up for themselves. So, yeah, that yes, I was very cowardice in the past, never again. Because you know, it comes with growth.

SPEAKER_05: 38:25

No, I agree.

SPEAKER_00: 38:26

Don't be a little bitch.

SPEAKER_04: 38:30

Like you pay for cowardice. You really do. Like, even if you think that you're avoiding pain or whatever, like you still pay for that shit. You do, you know, usually with more pain. It's the pain of not doing something, you know what I'm saying? And then then you see like what happens, it's like fuck, like I should have fucking.

SPEAKER_00: 38:44

I think I'm not sure if you've said something, I should have done this, I should've done that. Sulda, coulda, woulda.

SPEAKER_05: 38:48

Yeah, that's for nah. I don't want to get ahead of myself. Regret, that's that's one I'm gonna talk about later. But um uh to add to go off. Were you done? I don't want to. Yeah. Okay, finished. Okay. Um a person runs away to save their own ass, or they'll cut the wire, save their own ass. They don't care about the person behind them. If they get killed, fuck it. If I survive this, I'll be able to climb the rest of the mountain, cut every underneath me to die. You see what I'm saying? It is. It is, but but at the at the and then you have to live with it on your own. Can you live with something like that? I feel like in a way, it kind of makes mistakes. Oh see, it changes things. But what I'm what I'm trying to say is I guess the coward is the person that's like, you go, you got this man. Push them into the line of fire and they run the other way. Oh, hell yeah. That's a fucking coward. That's kind of what I was getting at. Yeah. Cutting the wire one, that's that's a really fucked up situation. Because they might even tell you, you need to live to go on. Cut the wire. Tell our story. Tell our story. Yeah. Let us go, though. So you can at least live. You just hey bro, you just happen to be up there. I would have done it too if I had to, but it's you.

SPEAKER_04: 39:54

So it's not to be able to be in that in that in no position. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 39:58

So that was a bad example. I agree. That was a bad example. The first example was a bad one. The second one was actually what I was really trying to say is the guy that says, Let's go, man. And they push you forward to go into the line of fire and they run the other way. That's a coward. That's to me, that's what I think of when I hear the word coward. That's what I was originally trying to say. That first one was a bad example. But it's like, but I guess when I use that first example, I was more so thinking that that can also be cowardice because that person can be thinking, I'm gonna save them. Fuck them, I'm gonna save me. They don't even, you know what I mean? They don't even think two or twice about telling their story. Hey, man, I'll just say they all got attacked by a yeti. I'm over here climbing this ice mountain. Fuck them, bro. Just cut their shit. Hey, I don't know what happened to the rest of the crew, bro. They there was a yeti behind us. I kept running and then I looked back and everybody was gone. You know what I mean? Like that that's what that's what I was thinking when I came up with that first.

SPEAKER_00: 40:45

Oh, for sure. It's just funny that you incorporated a Yeti.

SPEAKER_05: 40:48

Like I was thinking of an ice mountain. Because I'm thinking, why else? I I included a Yeti. I like how you pointed that out, Julia. I'll tell you why. I pointed, I brought up a Yeti because in my mind, I was thinking of a cold environment. Do you think of Everest? I was thinking of it as well.

SPEAKER_00: 41:04

Well, I'm really laughing.

SPEAKER_05: 41:05

I was thinking of I was thinking of like an Everest type of like No, I know it's just so funny. Of an a cold moment.

SPEAKER_00: 41:11

Yeah, I get your I get what you're saying. There's different forms of cowardness. Like, okay, like fuck everybody else. I'm gonna uh like live and and persevere because I know I can and these people are my baggage. Yeah, different forms of cowardice.

SPEAKER_05: 41:25

Yeah, yeah. That was my that was all I had to add to it.

SPEAKER_00: 41:28

I just love that you said Yeti.

SPEAKER_05: 41:30

I was gonna say Sasquatch or Bigfoot, but I was like, look at this rope.

SPEAKER_00: 41:34

A fucking Yeti's coming.

SPEAKER_05: 41:37

Fucking Yeti's coming up the mountain and kill us all. And while he's eating them down there, I'll be getting away. Get up that rope, man. I'm gonna cut that bitch and keep going. So get that rope. Get up that mountain. Tell our story. As we're getting ripped limb from limb and shit. Bro, I started thinking of the AI Yeti. I just fucking killed these guys up with my mountain and shit. You know, you know, you've seen those shorts of the Yeti like doing the self-fucking the Yeti and the gorillas and shit. People are funny. AI is a trip, man.

SPEAKER_00: 42:04

But anyways, okay. Your next one.

SPEAKER_05: 42:05

It's a bomb on the snowman. Like the monkey of the of the of the Are they real?

SPEAKER_00: 42:09

Are Yetis real?

SPEAKER_05: 42:10

So they're a myth, right? Maybe. Who knows? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Supposedly basically. It's like a white book. It's like a white. It's like it's like an ape. It's like ape-like version of Bookfoot, but in a cold environment. Up in the mountains. Cold, yeah. Okay. Sorry, what?

SPEAKER_04: 42:22

It's it's the Caucasian version of Bigfoot. There you go. Fucking it, bro. Um so my last uh dislike about human nature, I'll say sorry I had to put it in there. It's all cue as up. I'll say it's it's people that that use others, you know? Users. That's that that's a you know, yeah, a part about human nature that I don't like. Like we're it's like it seems like sometimes where people are just like wet rags. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05: 42:49

You can relate to that one. We all come.

SPEAKER_00: 42:50

Oh no. Like it seems like people that wet rags, you know? Yeah, bro. It kind of falls into the narcissism one too. Oh, for sure. Yeah, the using. But like it's more interesting. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Some people don't have to be narcissists, but still take everything. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 43:02

Narcissists are users, for sure.

SPEAKER_05: 43:05

Oh, for sure.

SPEAKER_04: 43:06

100% have to be a narcissist, they might just be an opportunist, you know what I'm saying? Where they just like, oh, I see the benefit with being allied. I see the benefit of being, you know, allied or collaborating with this individual, and I can gain something from it. I'm not really invested in this individual per se, but I see the benefit of working with them. You know what I'm saying? But like that, I think the I guess the way that I'm using users is because people like that to me, they a lot of things in their lives become transactional. Yep. You know what I'm saying? Where it's like it's not just your business relationships. You know, I get I understand business, right? Because we're we're also employed, right? So obviously, you know, your freaking place of work uses you. You use your place of work, you're getting a check, they're getting service. Yeah, right. So that is understandable, right? Of course. When it goes in when it spills over into your like personal lives, into your interpersonal relationships, that's where I'm I I just kind of like you know, like draw the line because it's not it's it's not about money now, it's not about anything else.

SPEAKER_00: 44:03

Because these two these people are choosing to be with you, these people are choosing to hang out with you, these people are choosing to have a relationship with you, and you're choosing to have a relationship with them. I get what you're saying. Like when you're at a job, yes, yes, that's professional. Like you're working to get a paycheck, but in outside world, you're not, you're just building relationships with people, so you should value that.

SPEAKER_04: 44:28

I agree. Yeah, yeah, but I think like a lot of times, you know, the the people like that will make it, you know, their other relationships transactional as well. You know what I'm saying? Like it doesn't just like stop at work, like everyone's like everyone's like fair game. It's like, oh, I'm not getting a benefit from you, okay. X. You know, it's it's like everyone's like a wet rag. You know what I'm saying? It's like once you stop like ringing out water, it's done. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, but people like that, they'll I don't know. They'll kind of like you really, it's it's it's hard to spot them until they um until they until they like reveal themselves, you know what I'm saying? Like, like let's say you you say no to something, right? That that you usually would say yes to. Like, oh shit, wait, what? Like you said no, like, okay, like fuck this fool. You know what I'm saying? Or whatever. And it's like, I mean, I thought we were I thought it was a different thing. You know what I'm saying? But you're but you're you're just a conduit for for a benefit for them. You know what I'm saying? No, yeah, for real. And you're never gonna know until it until it shows. You know what I'm saying? Like, some people are popular, they don't know why they're popular. You know what I'm saying? It might be because they have a talent. They don't, but but they don't they don't separate that, you know what I'm saying? And I think sometimes, like, just like okay, when you get famous, right? People say, Oh, you got everyone who gets famous, like they like distance them themselves from their old crowd, right? Yeah, I mean, maybe it's because of that, maybe not, but it's like I think that does play a part. You know what I'm saying? Because now that like, okay, you're the now you're the ticket to getting out. So now people, okay, oh, like let me let me now show up, or you know what I'm saying? Because we always talk about it, you know, like okay, when when when people come out of the woodworks, like if if things take off, right? You're gonna see a lot more um activity. No, for sure.

SPEAKER_05: 46:08

No doubt, no doubt.

SPEAKER_00: 46:09

I'm not trying to like um say, like, hey, no, like take accountability for sure, but maybe people are using others and they don't even realize it.

SPEAKER_05: 46:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 46:18

Like they're just like in it.

SPEAKER_05: 46:20

They could be naive to it.

SPEAKER_00: 46:21

They they could be naive to it, and they could be like, oh, like I I want to get here, so if I stay friends with them and keep hanging out with them and show up to every birthday party, then I'm gonna get this. And you're probably doing it not even realizing it, but I get that.

SPEAKER_05: 46:36

Well, because to some people that might be normal.

SPEAKER_00: 46:37

No, but what I'm trying to say, what I'm trying to say is you have to be mindful of your actions. Like it just comes to like, you know, being mindful and you're conscious, like, okay, what do you think? No, it's true. Like, because to me, I have I don't want to use anybody. To me, if you're in my life, it's because I want you to be in my life, and because I like you, but I don't really get along with a a lot of people. Like, I I want you to be in my life, and I'm not gonna use you. I I just want to have fun and and you bring character and stuff like that. It and not only character, I like your time. I like being around you, and there's a lot of people that you don't like to be around, there's people that you do like to be around. But when it comes to using, I think some people, and I'm not saying you, me, or him. I'm just saying I don't think people realize that they're using other people because they're so not self-aware. Yeah, and that's like their norm.

SPEAKER_04: 47:30

Yeah. So to add to that, like it's sad. It is sad, I agree.

SPEAKER_00: 47:34

It's very sad.

SPEAKER_04: 47:35

Yeah, because you know, you know, to add to that, like, you know, I got friends that like I can hit up, like I haven't hit them up, or we haven't seen each other in probably a year, right? I can hit them up, it's like we like we were chilling yesterday, you know what I'm saying? And then you got some where like it's like, oh like, oh like what did you do for me? type of shit. You know, like you know, like that's the energy, you know, like you know what I'm saying? It's it's not it's like bro, like, bro, we like when we you know became cool, it wasn't on that. It was just more like we're just cool with each other, you know what I'm saying? I agree. Now it's like, oh, like what am I doing for you, type of thing? Like, we're like, oh like I'm not getting you ahead. It's like that's not my fault. You know what I'm saying? I think that that's where I draw the line with that because it's like I I get it, right? Like, I mean, people in your lives, there should not, I'm not saying there should be a tangible benefit, right? But obviously you're getting something out of that relationship, right? But it shouldn't, to me, it shouldn't be transactional, it shouldn't be where it's like, you know, um, every time I hang out with or you know, Aaron or whatever, you know, we just talk about life or some shit. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's something that you get from that, from that comfort, from that interaction, you know what I'm saying? But some people like they're very I guess materialistic with it, where it's like, oh damn, like I don't make money when I when I hang out with so-and-so. I don't do this, or you know what I'm saying? Like, it's it's not they're they lose the the intrinsic uh you know value of uh human connection, you know what I'm saying? It becomes more about you know self self-sustenance and just you know furthering their own, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_03: 49:04

Your own agenda.

SPEAKER_04: 49:05

Yeah. It becomes it's it just becomes warped. You know what I'm saying? And uh that that's one thing where I just like I pick up on that shit, you know, and I hate picking up on that shit because I'm like, fuck, like you two, yeah, you know what I mean? And it's like, damn, like I don't want to, I just and I I give people I give people space, you know, just because I know, you know, life's not that simple. Yeah, you know, but at the same time, it's just I do see, I do understand, like it can affect anybody, you know, no one's exempt. Absolutely, no one no one's exempt because we're all trying to survive. Yeah, you know, we're all trying to get by. I think sometimes some people just bite into it deeper. Of course, you know what I'm saying? And they're like, fuck it, like by all means.

SPEAKER_00: 49:40

Some people are living in their own world and they don't know how to like be compassionate or like put themselves in other people's shoes, so they're just living life for them, and that's a lot of human nature. So yeah, yeah, and it it might not be as used, it might just be like they just don't know anything else.

SPEAKER_01: 49:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 49:59

And like uh I'm sorry, but like you you learn life lessons, like you learn from this experience and that experience, and then it just depends. Honestly, I think we're all a byproduct of what we grew up with, yeah. And you can either like if you're self-aware and you're mindful, you could either grow out of that and be like, I don't want to be anything like that, I'm gonna be like this. Um, so it it is a debate because to them, they what do you mean? What do you mean I used you? What do you mean? Like they're so delusional, and you're just like, okay, you know what? But that's when you cut them off.

SPEAKER_05: 50:33

No, and I and I want to cut that person off. And I want to add to that too. And over you're when you finish the first one.

SPEAKER_00: 50:37

Um, done.

SPEAKER_05: 50:38

Okay. So to add to what Julia was saying, this jewels right here. I think people can be delusional. I agree with you. I to to to piggyback off what you were saying, that can be someone's reality. Remember, earlier you're like, what if they don't know? What if they're not aware of it? I think when that happens, that's because that's all that person knows, or they didn't have proper guidance. I think that that usually when that happens to somebody and they become a user, that's self-developed. Does that make sense? Like there was nobody guiding them and showing them, like, hey, or telling them or explaining to them and showing them why it's wrong to do that. Like, hey, you know what? Don't do that. Like, I I understand you do want something to benefit you in certain situations, but you should not always move this way because it's gonna make you look very you know what I'm saying? Right. Like at the end of the day, obviously you're obviously you guys are gonna take care of yourselves, you're gonna shower yourselves, you see what I'm saying? You have to take care of yourself, right? See, and people confuse that. I'm gonna take care of myself. They they apply that to everything they do in their life. You see what I'm saying? See how that can easily be morphed into an understanding of life. You see where I'm going with this?

SPEAKER_00: 51:44

Like an example.

SPEAKER_05: 51:44

You start using everybody exactly in this case. But I was just I was just looking out for my own. You're not gonna do this for me and do that. You're right, I'm not. Right. But you have to understand the difference between using somebody and providing for yourself and helping yourself, right? I morph it into when you don't have a proper mentor, guidance, father figure, mother figure, someone that's not leading you in the right direction as a young child growing into these habits, right? You tend to go off what you're saying, you tend to grow into a person that uses people without understanding it. No, it's true. I I do believe that does that does exist if that's the reason why it's happening. Right. You see what I'm saying? But if you're a full conscious, had a good father, had a good mother, had a good leader, had a good mentor, and you just decided like, eh, I don't like that way. Fuck it. I want self-interest, you know, then then that's different. Then I'm like, okay, you really are a user. That to me is a person that's self-aware, knows what they're doing, knows why they're doing it, doesn't give a fuck. That's a narcissist and a user. So that only time is delusions acceptable is if they were they grew into the delusion. They thought that was their reality, they thought that that is how life is, and that might be an epiphany with then through therapy. Like, oh shit, you mean to tell me, damn, I have a lot of apologies. You know what I'm saying? They might have a fucking moment of clarity in therapy one day, like, oh shit, I got a lot of people, people I gotta say sorry to. I got a lot of people to, you know what I mean? I woke up, like shit. I was using this person in this situation. My God, I'm terrible. That's different. That's that's a person that I feel, you know what I'm saying? You guys agree? Like, you should get a pass for delusion in that case.

SPEAKER_00: 53:16

You know, go to therapy.

SPEAKER_05: 53:17

Yes, because it's eye opener, yeah, it helps.

SPEAKER_00: 53:19

It helps, it helps you take yourself out of your own perspective and your own reality, and it makes you view another way others and your family and the world differently because you're really doing I mean exactly. There's a a thing called mindfulness, and I think as in this world, if we all had mindfulness, we would all operate a little bit differently, you know? I'm just saying because I think right now in this world with what we're going through right now, and you know, I think a lot of people are scared because of it potential World War III, you know. I think I think we s focus a lot on the negative and and we forget what our human I mean, what human nature can be. I think it's mass like you know, like with the news and stuff like that, and whatever because there's CNN, there's Fox, there's you know, all these other things, and I think a lot of them are paid by politics to spew out a different narrative and a different thing. So I think like, you know, they want us scared because who's easier to control when you're scared? You know, and I think that uh uh it was when I went through this list when Andrew when Andrew texted me and said, make up a list of what you like about human nature and what you dislike about human nature, it was I actually read into it and I actually was like, okay, well what? Because I've never really thought about this before. But I think there is a lot of beauty in human nature. I just think that when times get tough and society and all this stuff, they try to depict it as just all negative and all bad, like, oh, get ready for the next bombing, get ready for the next earthquake, oh my goodness, um, if California has an earthquake, we're all gonna go in a like it's it's just they want us fear-based because what's easier to control when you're afraid? When you're afraid. So I took this actually very seriously. Um I think that the five things about human nature, um a lot of it is um compassion. You have to have compassion towards other people, and it's hard with whatever environment you grew up in, like it's hard, compassion. I'm just gonna list mine and then we can have like you know, your yeah, open discussion and morality, morality, um empathy, love, and consciousness. Because at the end of the day, like are those your positives anyway? Yeah, those are my positives, those are all the positives of human nature because we are all capable of that, and then there is a book um that I was kind of like briefly reading through. It's um Mincas. He's uh he was Japanese. You guys should all check it out. Minkus. Um he talks about that for sure all of us have right or wrong in us, so we we we really are conscious of whether we're doing wrong or right. It's just it comes down to the point where you're like, okay, well, no, I did I hurt this person because they hurt me. No, you knew deep down inside it was not right to get even. You knew deep inside down inside that like your consciousness is telling you, like, you go home, let's say, like, okay, for example, um, empathy. You see a homeless person, no shirt, no shoes, he just has pants on. I'm gonna stop and I'm gonna give him whatever I have in my trunk. Yeah, that's I mean, a lot of people don't have that, but that's empathy, and I think a lot of that's this world lacks is empathy. Yeah, you like we're all human at the end of the day. We've all fucked up, we're all alcoholics or uh depressed or narcissists, or uh, we've all been through something like it, but we have to show empathy. It's we're no one's better than the other person. Yeah, it no one's better than the other person. We you have to be a good person, and I don't care how many times you've been burned, continue to be that good person, continue to have empathy because what are we living for? So that also comes to consciousness. At the end of the day, like let's say somebody yells at me, okay, breaks a bottle and says, Oh, you know, whatever. And then I punch I beat the shit out of them. I I'm gonna go home and I'm gonna know that that was not right. That wasn't right to do it because that person wasn't drunk.

SPEAKER_05: 58:02

No, of course.

SPEAKER_00: 58:02

Yeah, that person, I mean that person was drunk. Oh okay. Like, let's say you're a bar and then you're like you What if you were the lesson though?

SPEAKER_05: 58:09

What if you were like, all right, maybe when he's sober and he'll realize that he shouldn't be well I don't know. It could be I'm just saying there's two ways to look at it. It's debatable.

SPEAKER_00: 58:18

Yes, it is for sure debatable. Yeah, um but I think there is a lot of good in this world, and I think humans do have the capability of being really, really good. It's just it's all blurred because the border, like there's borders, there's you know, oh you can't come here, it's America. You can't come here, we're gonna give up your visa. Um, or with any other country, like if you overstay your visa, you're out of here. But what I'm trying to say is I thought you didn't want to talk about that. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, and I'm not.

SPEAKER_05: 58:53

I'm just I'm just saying very sensitive, ongoing topic right now.

SPEAKER_00: 58:57

Like, you know, it's there is really, really good in this world, but it's hidden because of all the bad shit that's going on and all the shit on like what media's projecting and saying all this and and saying all that. And it is a very scary time right now. It is so it's like normal to be scared. But I'm thinking on the I I'm talking about the positives in it because um nobody else talks about it. We're all fighting against each other, we're all like, no, I'm right, no, you're wrong, no, I'm right, no, you're wrong. But it's like, dude, like just come back to the phantom the fundamentals about it. Like, we're all living here, we're all trying to figure it out. Like, we're all citizens of whatever country and stuff like that. Like, it's just it's it's sad because I get like the the war aspect of it. I get like, okay, Russia's like okay, you know what? I'm not gonna get into it. I'm I'm just gonna shut up.

SPEAKER_05: 59:51

You were about to.

SPEAKER_00: 59:52

No, I really was about to, but I'm just gonna stop.

SPEAKER_05: 59:54

Get into it. Let's just make this a four hour podcast. Let's go. I was just kidding.

SPEAKER_00: 59:58

No, I'm just like, because. I'm trying to stick to the positive side of it. Of course. So, I mean, we all have our different opinions and stuff like that. I just think that as human nature, you want to rage out. You want to reach out. You want to be like, no, this is my opinion. This is this. Um, and then you and then you feel so deeply about it that you want to go out there and cause chaos or or yell your opinion and stuff like that. But it's like, I don't know, dude. It's just, I think a lot of us definitely a lot. A lot more empathy and compassion and consciousness. Those are my positive because I have seen it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:37

No, for sure. No, sorry, we told you the transaction we I do just.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:41

No, I know what's going on.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:42

Sorry. They were just like, huh?

unknown: 1:00:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:00:47

No, I want to say there are positives about that. No, for sure, for sure. And I have some written down too, but did you I want I want to make sure you finish what you had to say first, though.

SPEAKER_00: 1:00:54

No, I was I was done with the positive side of it because I think we do at the end of the day, uh everyone does have an ability to be empathetic, compassionate, um, mindful. And you know, we all have a conscience, and our conscience constantly speaks to us. I just think that a lot of people in this world delegate what's right or wrong, and and they do something bad, and they're just like, oh no, no, no. I did this because of this and this to make themselves feel better. But I think we all there's a human nature in us to know from right from wrong. Absolutely. And we do know it, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Yep. Yeah, we do know.

unknown: 1:01:32

You're right.

SPEAKER_05: 1:01:32

We do, and right or wrong. I mean, everybody knows. At the end of the day, you know, but whether you choose or not to listen to it or not, right? Whether we choose to upon actively that part, exactly, is everything. Yes. Now, before we move on to my my turn to go with negative or positive, would you have anything you want to add to that, Furious? What you said?

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:50

No. It was pretty pretty straightforward.

SPEAKER_05: 1:01:53

Pretty straightforward, right? I feel the same way. You damn, you you covered a lot of you covered a lot, honestly, in a good way. And I feel like what all I could say to it really add to that is human nature is so complex, man, without sounding so generic, right? But it's just something that we have to try to, I think, every day work towards maybe making it better, I could say, I would say, especially in dark times like you know, it being scary and World War III on the table. It it it makes people's human nature transform, change, right, in itself. So I feel like whatever we do have control over, it's up to us to try to do something with that, right? To try to make it a more positive thing than negative, because like you said, it's unfortunately way more easier to make that list. At least it was for me too. I agree. I fear it was for for uh Furious over there as well, to make a list of things that were negative about human nature than positive. So it's kind of nice to focus a little more, like you said, on those positive things because that's like that's what we need in order to take that first step to make that transformation, I feel, right? So that's what I had to say about it. Did you want to go into your negatives, or did you want me to just continue?

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:58

You could whatever of negatives or positives.

SPEAKER_05: 1:03:01

Which one okay? So I I actually wrote a list for the good in human nature and obviously the bad in human nature for me. And I'm gonna list mine off and I'll go as I play that. So kindness and compassion, that's an obvious one. I I think that the the next one for me, I would just I I guess I could just say selflessness for some people it's human nature, for some people it isn't. I I relate to that one personally because I feel like selflessness when it comes to selflessness, me, I I I I like to I get joy and I'm gonna say this right now on the record. You know what? I don't care, I'm gonna say it. I wasn't gonna say this before, but I'm gonna say it, and I'm not gonna say any names, but I'm gonna use real life things that I've experienced to explain this to you guys, right? I feel like, particularly me with selflessness, it comes to gift giving, right? So when I give somebody a gift, I genuinely in my heart get joy out of seeing the person's reaction to what I give them.

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:56

You are a gift giver, right? Right.

SPEAKER_05: 1:03:57

And what I mean by that, yeah. So what I do what I mean by that is I like to give somebody something I know they're gonna use, not something you're gonna re-gift and be like, alright, that's cool. I'm gonna give this shit to my cousin next week for his birthday. You know what I mean? Like people are thinking that shit. You know what I mean? Like, I but no, I want to not only give you a gift that you're gonna love, but something you're gonna reuse or actually use in your daily life. I would love to do that. Why not? How do you learn that how do you give someone a gift like that though? By knowing them, knowing what they're like, their tendencies. You know what I'm saying? Like what they like to do, how they like to do, what their hobbies are, how how do they have fun with certain items, what do they do? Do you pay attention to the activities they do? That's like me buying a baseball bat for a baseball player. You see what I'm saying? Like, you gotta knowing their weight size, their customization, what they love. That stuff is like personally knowing somebody. I get joy out of seeing them open the gift because I'm like, you can see the difference. Someone's like, Dad, this is fucking thoughtful. Like, I can actually use this shit. I'm actually gonna go proudly after I leave here, like, damn, this is awesome. I'm actually gonna use this shit. You see what I'm saying? Like, I take pride in that. I know pride is a very, very tricky thing, and I know that it can be easily forwarded as a sin for sure, if used incorrectly. But I feel like if you can take pride in making somebody happy, man, and genuinely blessing somebody, that's different. That's the type of pride that you should want to have you. You know what I'm saying? So when I say selflessness, I pride myself in my gift giving for that reason. I try to make it as personal as possible, I try to make it as enjoyable as possible so that they walk away from that situation remembering that damn that person actually paid attention to not only what I like, but what I, you know what I mean, taking attention. And I don't know, I take pride in that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:05:32

So So, what you like from human nature is selflessness.

SPEAKER_05: 1:05:35

Yes, I do like that. I do like that. It's one of my favorites for those that actually use it and practice it, right? Cooperation, social bonds. Yeah, so when I when I thought of that one, I thought that's a hit or miss because again, there could be some there could be some not only oh man, this sucks to look at it this way. That's why what I don't like about myself sometimes when I put into words is that I do remember there's so many ways to look at things, so many angles. People do it for self-interest agendas. That's what it was really hard.

SPEAKER_00: 1:06:03

So it was really, really hard for me to pick. Yeah, like for social bonds or cooperation. Because one can go off the other. Yeah. Because my negative, it's like if you're not conscious enough, then you are going to veer off into the bad side of human nature. But like I but like you said earlier, human nature is very complex. There's not linear, it's not straight, like it's it it really has to do with the environment you grow up with with and and what you wanna be and who you want to be and being very mindful. Of course, mindfulness takes a lot of value, present, absolutely. So, yeah, so that's why it that's why this to me in this topic of conversation was really, really hard because you can debate the negative and you can debate the positive. And it'll go on forever. It just goes, it just goes depending on your environment and where you grew up in. And some people are grew up in third world countries, and us we we live here in the United States, and yeah, maybe we did get like uh we got dealt with very shitty cards, but you either came out of it or you fell under it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:14

And that's probably where that saying comes from.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:16

So it's just it's it's hard. Like this conversation, I'm I'll be honest with you, is like a tough one. Yeah. Like to make a list. Like I I had to read several articles and I was just like, I don't know. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:27

Yeah, I don't appreciate you doing that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:29

Yeah, and I was just like, and then I landed on the Minkyus uh book, which I actually recommend all you guys to read because I only read like a few of it, but it does like give you the perspective of at the end of the day, as humans, we do know what's right or wrong. We just try to justify it. We try to justify our actions, always whether they're good or bad. We just try to justify why we did this and why we did that. So it's it's like it's the book. It's a debatable, yes. That's a good one. Yeah, yeah, it's a debatable um conversation. Like this, all of what we're saying is debatable.

SPEAKER_05: 1:08:04

It is, no, no, 100%. That's kind of what timeless talk is behind. Like, that's the reason for the pod, right? Is to the have the have the conver have not only have the conversation that never ends, but also to kind of like elaborate and expand everything and look at every every perspective on things, and that's kind of where I find myself with this particular thing, right? So when you cooperate with people to and to obviously continue the trend of what you're on, more positive things in human nature, right? Um, cooperation and social bonds is a tough one because like it, if you're mean, if you're going into it as a genuine person, all right, it's great. It's a good is a good nature because you want to see everybody win. There's no malice behind it, there's no, I want to one-up you at some point. I genuinely want to see us all on the same. Kind of like we were talking about off the record. Yeah. That's when I feel like it's a beautiful thing. We're all, you see what I'm saying? We're all on the same page. That's the type of cooperation. When I wrote it down, actually, I wrote it down after that conversation we had on the phone. Me and Furious, I wanna, you know what I'm talking about. Off the off the record, we talked on the phone, as we always do. But that's when I wrote down cooperation and social bonds because that shit is important to have a genuine, real connection. Because when the team wins, then everybody wins, and you feel happy to see your brother like you, happy. You know what I'm saying? We're we're chilling in Hawaii somewhere. We just stepped on a sea turtle, we were swimming out in the fucking that to me is a beautiful thing to do with the put with the right people around you that that helps you get there, or vice versa. You know what I mean? That's when it becomes something that's that's genuine from the heart, right? And that's good in human nature, yeah. And then obviously the no-brainer one, and this is my first one that I wrote. Emotions like love and joy, those are obvious when they're genuine, then they're it's a beautiful, yeah, beautiful place to be for a lot of different reasons. For sexy reasons, for for emotional reasons, for you know, um physical reasons. Uh that kind of ties into the first one, but for for everything, abundance, doing activities together, it just makes it better, right? Well, you're with the right person, there's genuine love there. It doesn't matter. That's why they say you could be anywhere with that person, which is true. I've had so many good conversations down with my girl down in our in my little makeshift man cave, having conversations with her. We've done other things down there, I won't go into on detail, but you get the point. When you have that genuine con-likely, let's see. Yeah, you're done. No, we're not gonna do all that. I clean up, fuck all that shit. Anyway, but even if you did, good luck finding anything. Uh but anyway. Oh, really? Shot it up, huh? Oh, anyway. Anyway, no, that's funny. I don't give a fuck. Hashtag leave it in, right? Or that's be a thing on timeless talk. Hashtag leave it in. No, but in that that's a multiple meaning hashtag right there. But anyway, um uh but anyway, yeah, that that that's something that when you have that, it's a beautiful thing, right? And you experience that with the right person, it's the right thing. And and I feel like everybody out there will have it. And even if you had it and lost it, you will find it again.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:54

No, human connection for sure. Like it's like what are we living here for?

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:58

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00: 1:10:59

What what why are we here?

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:00

I'm sorry, but we're not just here to work like slaves and and and pay taxes and stuff like that. When you really tap into the human nature, it's like well, nobody wants to be alone, nobody wants to be like single. Like, I mean, we we all crave love, we all crave affection, and we all and and some people crave like giving, like you're a giver. I think I'm a giver for sure, too. Yeah, yeah, that's true. So, like I you we all crave that, and it's just a human reaction. It's it's it's human nature, and that it that's one of them. That's a big one because we're not meant to live this life alone. We're really not. If you go back to um, I mean, I I'm pretty sure a lot of people are not religious here, and uh, a lot of people who listen don't maybe believe in a higher power, but that is our biological, you know, when you read the scripture, it does say man is not supposed to be alone.

SPEAKER_05: 1:11:56

I was about to say that. You beat me to it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:11:58

Yeah, man isn't meant to be alone.

SPEAKER_05: 1:12:00

You know, and if if I can go off of that, you're doing you finish with that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:12:03

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:12:04

Okay, so what what I want to go off of that, um, to say it's crazy, you beat me to it. You legit beat me to it. When God made Adam and Eve, he saw that Adam was lonely and he knew that it was off, he was wrong. Like, you know, he had the beasts of the earth, sure, the animals or whatever that he would eat and kill, sometimes keep them as pets, whatever. He knew that man was lonely and it wasn't right, and that's when he cast them over a deep sleep and took his rib out and made Eve. Right? That's why when you ever hear somebody say, You're my rib, like remember, remember baby boy? You're my rib, baby. When he starts playing that little we're not gonna get into that movie, that movie's a classic. But you know what I mean? When you hear a man tell a woman, You're my rib, that's where it came from. It's in the scripture, that's in the Bible, genuinely. You women are actually from the man that you guys came out of a rib. The God actually removed the bone from the whip cage and made woman out of it. It's crazy, but it's the truth, yeah. So God saw that man that was lonely and it was wrong, that you needed a companion, and that's when he created the woman. So those things that's crazy. I was that's what I was gonna reference, and it's crazy you brought that up, you know, for that reason. But uh something I wanted to tag on, I was gonna say something, man. I was gonna roll. I wanted to add to that. Man, oh, I lost it though. It was a good one, too. Oh, yeah, yeah, I got it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:16

Human nature or your fourth?

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:17

It's my last one.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:18

It's your last one.

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:19

Fifth one. Fifth one. I know, sorry guys. I kind of mashed them all together. No, no, no. This is my fifth one.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:23

I mashed mine all together.

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:25

You did.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:26

You're right. No, you're right, you're right. Okay, and this is my fifth one. And I want to say this last one before Furious, because you've been kind of quiet over there. I kind of wanted your take on everything I was saying. It's a lot, I know. But if you could just summarize it all into one, go ahead. That's fine too, alright? But um, my last one I was gonna say was resilience. That's crazy. My last, you know, favorite thing of human nature positively is our resilience.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:49

That's a good one.

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:49

You see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:50

That's a really good one.

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:51

Yeah, because and I what I had wrote to jot it down, was you know, and I looked into it, I was like, man, that's such a good one because it's like humans have the capacity to recover from any adverse well, not I don't want to say any, but most adversity and setbacks. You see what I'm saying? So that's a beautiful thing to me. If they want to. If they want to, right? Yeah. The the strong ones, the the devoted ones, the determined ones, right? The ones that want to see those results, the ones that want to see that that breakthrough. Setbacks won't destroy them. They won't let it. So, and there are enough humans, I feel like resilience can be considered a good a good thing to human nature for those that have it, right?

SPEAKER_00: 1:14:29

It's a good one, dude. Yeah, it's a really good one.

SPEAKER_05: 1:14:32

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:32

Actually, I that I'll tell you. Really? Yeah. I had self selflessness or I I had self-sacrifice, and then I had love like when it's real.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:44

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:45

So it's so we matching a lot of them, man.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:47

Nice.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:47

But uh, no, yeah, I I agree. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, when it's there, you know, resilience is very admirable part about human nature. It is. You know, when like times get tough, or you know, when there's uh adversity, you know, when when the outcome is like you're you're like gonna lose. Like you're still.

SPEAKER_05: 1:15:04

I'm waiting for you guys, so go ahead.

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:06

No, I don't know if we should cut this off.

SPEAKER_05: 1:15:07

No, why? Who cares? We're not we're not advertising. And now, this next top, we'll be taken by. We're not saying the name because you didn't pay us. I'm scared.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:16

But um sorry, go ahead. No, yeah, um, I think that you know that that's a very admirable part when it's real. Like when it's when when the person actually, you know, has those traits, like, you know, naturally is it it's like dope to see it in action, you know what I'm saying? And that's what gives people hope, you know what I'm saying? It does it's like, damn, like, okay, like there's something worth worth worth fighting for, you know what I'm saying? So it's like you're not the only one doing it. And it's and and sometimes you might be the only one, but you're the one who's gonna inspire others, you know what I'm saying? But I think like those trends, that's what keeps those seeing examples of that in real life is what is what keeps me is part of what keeps me grounded.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:48

For sure.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:48

You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of people, you know, they give up in different ways, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 1:15:53

Where unfortunately it's so it but like it's so easy to give up.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:58

It is it is so easy to give it too easy to give up, and it it's painful, but you know, I think that's part of just part of growth.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:05

Yeah, resilience, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I don't think anybody could teach you that. Yeah, I don't think anybody could teach you resilience. I think you just with life you grow and you learn, and for sure you uh end up getting that because some lessons are tougher than others, exactly. But what else are you gonna do? Were you gonna fucking give up and like it's off beetle position? No, you're gonna get up and you're gonna keep fucking going because there's no other option. There's no other option.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:30

I'm so glad you said it because I was gonna go. You got it though.

SPEAKER_05: 1:16:32

No, you're right. If you don't, but you don't got it. No, some dude chose choose the other option. It's funny you say that because I actually had this conversation multiple times with my with my older brother. Shout out to JJ, who's been on the show before. You guys have met him, baby. Yeah, and he made a he made a quick appearance in the last episode for those that watched. He poked in here for a second. But anyway, some a conversation I have with him a lot, right? Um, and I always say it, you know, part of the grind, we we get we get discouraged sometimes, but then again, you remind yourself what other option do you have? It's true. What are my options? I either do this or I'm homeless or I die, or you do this, or you're dead. There's no other option. So you you exactly you either move forward or you stay there and die, or you stay there and let it let it yourself sulk and become whatever fucking outcome that pity party.

SPEAKER_00: 1:17:22

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:22

Whatever that outcome becomes, you basically become a loser. I'm sorry to say it, but that's the reality. Yeah, you become a warming. Yeah, and you gave up on life, which I think is a waste. I'm sorry, I'm gonna say it. I think it's a waste because you still have life, you still have your health. Why are you not taking advantage? You know who would kill for your breath and for your health?

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:39

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:40

Right? So for you to take it to not appreciate that and give up on life because something didn't go the way you wanted it to, that to me is the biggest that's what keeps me upright and keeps me going, right? Because like you said, and I agree with you said it perfectly. Honestly, I feel the same way, Jules. Like, you either keep going. There's no other what other option do you have? You don't either. There is no either. You keep going.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:02

And I will I will say this because I have had, I'm sorry, Tivier off the topic. Is it okay if you're gonna do that? Yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18:08

We do it all the time on the show. What do you mean? Right.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:10

You can learn that fast.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18:11

We do it all the time. Go ahead, it's true, it's fine.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:14

Well, okay, sorry, it's my second time early.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18:15

It's your second time.

SPEAKER_00: 1:18:17

Um, people out there do feel like they should end their lives. And like, um, oh, I can't do this anymore. I'm just going to take some pills, hang myself, kill myself. And I'm I'm so sorry for those people. Like, I I really want to hug you and and let you know that you're loved because there is other options. It's not easy to to keep going. It it really does suck with whatever's weighing you down and whatever you do feel that is keeping you from wanting to exist. I'm so sorry. But just know that there are people out there that love you and that will miss you and that will like it, they'll they'll feel like they weren't good enough to keep you on this earth. Like just know that like there is it gets better. It gets better, it's fucking sad, it's fucking miserable, whatever it is that you're going through, but it it's it gets better, dude. I'm trust me, trust me, it gets better. And um for those out there that are thinking of maybe not living here anymore. You guys have my Instagram because you posted it, right? Yeah, DM me, DM me, please, because I'm telling you, life is worth living. There's so much bad stuff going on right now, and I'm glad that Fury like put this topic into place, like what's good about human nature and what's bad about human nature. And I feel like we could so outweigh the bad from the good. But at the end of the day, like there are people out there that do love you, there are people out there that do want to see you persevere. There are people out there that do they just love you around, even though you don't maybe realize it, but they do love you around. And if you don't feel that that worth, like I said, please DM me and we'll hang out and I will make you feel that worth because this is a beautiful look. I never met Fury, never in my life had I. This is like the second time I talked to him. Fury is and and we do vibe. We do we do vibe, we do connect, we do talk. And I've known Andrew my entire life, like since I was 12. And like you build these relationships, and they see the ugly and they see the beauty, and and people are gonna accept you for who you are. Just it's okay, just be yourself. You're gonna be okay, whether it's your sad self, your positive self, whatever, just don't give up. I'm sorry, I know and and and I'm I'm I'm veer, I think I'm not veering off topic because we are talking about human nature and with what we're going through right now with Iran and Israel and Russia and China and like the United States. Like it is important to know that we're all we're gonna be okay. Regardless of whatever happens, we're gonna be okay. Like, just don't reach out to that person. Reach out to that person if if if you're feeling some type of way, reach out to them and be like, hey, I miss you, hey, I love you, hey, you I know you're my friend and I'm going through it, but I fucking miss you. I'm just going through it. Like, communicate, like let them know that you love them because this is never certain. All of this can end tomorrow. Yep. So just stay here with us and just because we've all been through it, we've all had our struggles, and we've all like have had eventually been in our heads like, oh, I don't want to do this anymore. But you have to because there's no other option. So please, please, just stay positive. If you if you can't see the positive in it, please DM me. I we'll hang out and and and and and I'll talk to you on the phone if you need me to. Just just wait. Just wait.

SPEAKER_05: 1:22:11

And not to say, yeah, and look, and not to sound cliche, but you're not alone. You're not. People were struggling with this all the time. And this got really deep, but thank you for that message, though, Julia. That was deep. I know you weren't trying to get an applause for that little speech right there, but that was deep. Damn. It's a super deep turn, man.

SPEAKER_00: 1:22:32

I just have had a lot of people around me that have wanted to end it because they don't see any purpose in going. Yeah, and I think to get to that how bad it is in this world, um, and how negative. It's so easy to focus on the negative and not the positive, but there is beauty in human nature. I just I don't think we're meant to be here for a long time. But but that's not up to us to decide when we want to end it. It's it's whatever it is that you believe in. Um so yeah, like I do want to give that platform for people to not end it and to not see everything and just like, you know what, fuck it. I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, I'm gonna crash out, I'm gonna take all these pills, I'm gonna get fucking hammered, I'm gonna do this and that. It's it there there is like there's there's still hope, okay? Your heart's beating in your chest, uh, your lungs are working, your limbs are working. There's still hope.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:26

Yep. That's true. Man, that's I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:29

I guess I'm just gonna do it. No, don't be sorry.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:32

That was that was real. Yeah, no, that was real. No, you feel like you needed to say that? That's gonna stay on the record. It needed to be said, that needed to be shared. So I'm not gonna, hey, I'm not gonna take from that or add to it because there's nothing to add to it. That was perfectly said. Appreciate you. Appreciate that. I think okay, so I I haven't got over a list of my bad things yet, but that was that I like that I was being positive. I don't know if you guys want to go over well, he went through his bads.

SPEAKER_00: 1:23:55

I want to hear fear is uh positives.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:58

So go ahead, bro. Right back to you then. I had three of yours. I had resilience, I had uh selflessness, then I had love, like when it's real. And so one of mine that I like about human nature is just brutal honesty. Yeah, just like straightforward, just transparency, like like just this is what it is. You know, not like not like not like not like not like spinning it to your narrative, just saying what it is. Yeah. 100%, hey, this is what it is. Oh shit recording. Not necessarily like, not necessarily like take it or leave it, but this is what it is. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Well, I guess take it or leave it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:30

You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:31

So yeah. You know, I like that part about uh about human nature because it's like there's there there's no guesswork. You know exactly what you're getting, you know what I'm saying? And it's you have the you have the opportunity to choose yes or no. It's not like there is no deception, you know. So if if if if someone's telling you, hey, like, I'm a criminal, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know what I'm saying, like I still fuck with you, but I'm a criminal, so be just just just just be advised. Like, I have tendencies, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:00

So no Hey, honestly, I rather hear that. I rather hear that because if that's a deal breaker, I'm just gonna probably but yeah, you know, I I I yes.

SPEAKER_04: 1:25:11

Because no one's gonna tell you that they're not the one for you. Oh my gosh. No one's gonna tell you that they're gonna be able to do that. I just wish people would be so transparent.

SPEAKER_00: 1:25:18

I just wish, like, with especially with dating, yeah. Like, why are you pretending to be anybody you're not? Like, just fucking be straightforward. Hey, I like to uh I don't feel good, so I want to use you. But yeah, and and that's why people aren't honest because they know they're not gonna get any dates or any pussy or any dick or anything. Because when you flat out say who you are, it's it's a vulnerability, and then you have to fear of missing out. It's the fear of missing out, but it's just like, oh my goodness, just say what just say it for what it is. Just say, hey, you know what? I like drinking. Okay, I'm not gonna let it control my life, but I like to drink and I like to have fun. But then I also like to be home and not do anything and read books and just be by myself. It's it it varies.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:05

But I get what you're yeah, I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:08

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that that's one thing that I really like, you know, appreciated. Whether a lot whether or not I like what I'm what I'm gonna hear, the fact that someone's you know, divulging that, you know, um that that information, you know, it's really appreciated, you know what I'm saying? Especially, I mean, obviously, there's all that there's obviously it's to a degree. You don't know how much of it's true, right? The fact that they're even willing to just give you that much, I'm like, shit, I'll you know, I'll take it. I'll take it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:26:33

Exactly. I'll take that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:34

And that's one of the things that I like about it when when it's there. You know? Um another thing, let me see. I'll say courage. You know, courage is something that's like I think is I don't think I won't say that it's it's overlooked, but it's like it's very I I can see I can see they can be like misinterpreted, you know what I'm saying? Because there's certain like situations where you might think someone has courage, but it's really like stupidity. Yeah, like okay, like I sent him a video earlier, okay, about this brothel, right? Remember? Oh my gosh. Yeah, so remember. So so just here, he's going somewhere with this. So it wasn't just a little bit more. Okay, so it wasn't just it wasn't just just just a brothel, okay? So so this It wasn't just a brothel. So this video popped up on my feed, okay? And it was talking about a brothel in in Reno, right? So fast forward is you know, they're interviewing all the girls, telling them, you know, asking them how they like it there. A lot of them girls are young, some of them are old, right? They make hella money there, right? It's what but a couple of these chicks were actually married. Yes. With kids and families, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:27:38

So there's one.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:39

Did you watch the whole thing? Me, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:27:41

Hell yeah, I watch the whole thing, bro. I watched the whole thing.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:43

I woke up to the text, he's like, hey bro, he's like, he's like, no, 34 minutes in.

SPEAKER_05: 1:27:47

You know?

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:48

I'm gonna see some pussy.

SPEAKER_04: 1:27:50

So there's so this so this is one part, right? Where um where where the woman's like, she she goes back to to her husband, and and the the one one who's conducting the uh the interviews, she asked him the husband, she's like, she's like, she's like, so what do you think about this? Like, you know, how are you, you know, I can I can only imagine how you would be. And the crazy part about it is like, is like you would expect, because the woman's her level of attraction, right? Just just like physically, right? You would think you would think she'd have someone to match that, right? Nope. And the dude is like, he is like, his, his, his IQ, you can just tell, is like 50 or something like that. It's so low. It's super low.

SPEAKER_05: 1:28:29

Like he's just like she's fucking walking up and down him, bro.

SPEAKER_04: 1:28:33

She is, she's getting, she's having her cake and eating it too. Fuck yeah, like she is doing it. Like, like the way that she proposed the idea to him was basically, oh, you know, like, you know, like we're like struggling, we need something to get money. And like initially he was against her working at a brothel, right? But somehow he was convinced and he's like, okay, like do it. And it's like, bro, that's your first, that that's your first L. You know what I'm saying? Like, you already, you're thinking that it's gonna, you're it doesn't, it just doesn't, it doesn't compute, you know what I'm saying? Like you're sending you're sending your your wife out there with other men, right? She's making money off it, yes, but it's like he's missing the point. You know, at first he will he he wasn't cool with it, but then he he convinced himself that it was a good situation, and I was just but it wasn't but it's like you but like you you can tell like in the interview, like it's eating him up, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 1:29:24

Hold on, what's the point of this?

SPEAKER_04: 1:29:26

No, so I'm saying not to be. So we're talking about courage, right? So we're talking about courage. So the thing is that is that the woman who was interviewing him was like, oh, oh, it must be very people must think that it's very weird, but you know, you see it's it seems like it's it's a very tough place for a man to be. It was just kind of like bruh, he it was mass as courage, where he was like, he's like he's being open-minded. Okay, like, yeah, like you know, she wants to do this, like, okay, you know, the way that he was trying to spin it, but it's like that's not that's not courage. You know what I'm saying? Gotcha. That's not courage. I'm gonna say it's right. I'm gonna say no, 100%.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:03

I'm gonna say it right now. You know what she was happy about? She was getting all the sex that she wasn't getting from him, from everybody else, but the stability that she wanted from him. Oh, exactly. And then she was getting dick somewhere else. And the thing is though, so she's winning in that situation. It's like 100%.

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:17

When they when they like like revealed like who he was, I was like, bro, that just they just I was like, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:22

He looked like Patrick Starr. It makes sense.

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:24

He looked definitely, and he wore pink too, you know what I'm saying? And he wore pink, and he was just like I cannot see it, bro. When you told me Patrick Starr, I was like, yeah, and he was just so like, and of course he was like, Yeah, like you know, initially no, but you know, I got around to it. But and you know what I'm saying, obviously not not an interview.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:41

When you said me that what are you doing? No, go ahead. Sorry, I'm gonna tell you.

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:44

I was like, bro, like that it like, bro, that's the way the fact that the woman interviewing him was like, oh, like he's he's he's so open-minded and blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, I know you're doing this for the camera, but you think that he's a bitch.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:56

I know you do. Of course she does.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:57

I know you do, bro. She probably didn't know what to say.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:59

You know, she's like, fuck, I gotta say something. I gotta keep this shit going somehow.

SPEAKER_04: 1:31:03

And and and the wife like had this whole like crying scroll, like, it's it's such a hard job. Like, you don't want to have sex every day. Blah blah blah. Get the fuck out. I'm just like, bro, like, you okay, like, not okay. Well, what's what's on her is on her, but him, I'm like, bro, like, you accepted it. And then now that they they they have a kid too, but I'm like, bro, like, why would you who would accept that? What who would like who would it willingly be like, yeah, go out there and and and and make make that money like for us, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:31

Well, I think at the end of the day, it comes down to morals and respect.

SPEAKER_04: 1:31:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_00: 1:31:35

Because um, maybe he doesn't have a sustainable job, but at the end of the day, as a man, you should have a sustainable job. And if you are okay with your woman out there prostituting and stuff like that, then then that's on you. Like, no. No, of course, of course, disagree because I'm sorry, I don't like that. Like that's crazy. No, that's crazy. That's crazy. To me, you know what that you know what that put you know what I will say to that? Beta.

unknown: 1:32:06

Beta.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:07

Beta. Beta.

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:09

There's no other way to describe it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:12

There's no other no.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:13

You can you could see like you could see there's no other way to describe it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:16

He clearly doesn't like it. I don't want to watch that stuff. Just that segment. And I'll say this, I don't want to ask why that's coming on your for you page.

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:26

No, it's no, it's not even that, okay? It's just shot right there. Sometimes when you go when you're on YouTube, when you look at free at at the station, okay, it will give you all kinds of shit, right? So you have like no control. It's not even on my for you page. That shit popped up, and I was like, it's not on mine. No.

SPEAKER_00: 1:32:44

Not on my. I'll be honest.

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:46

I'll be honest. It looked interesting. I was like, you know what? Let me see. And I, of course, the first 30 minutes of it, I'm like, see this hooker. But don't watch this shit. But when it but when it came to it, right? No, it's okay. But what I saw his part, right? Because once he mentioned that like that, like she was married, I'm like, hold up. Let me see what what this book has to say. Yeah, bro. And the way that he threw okay, just you seeing it. I'm gonna show you after this, okay? Just so you understand where I'm coming from, okay? Yeah, his the way he's like Patrick Starr.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:17

TikTok or Instagram? YouTube. He's on Patrick, he's like Patrick Starr.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:21

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:21

He looks like Patrick fucking star, dude. The way he was posting pictures like that. I'm gonna put it up here.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:26

The way he literally looked like the way that he was talking, I'm like, bro, like you are bro, I'm like, you're like you, you're fucking torched, right?

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:33

Torched? Yeah. I was about to beat me to it, you beat me to it. What was what did I tell you when you sent me that?

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:38

Fuck that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:39

Barbecued. Freak insane. He said freaking sane. Bro, what did I what did I reply to you when you sent me that? I said, bro, it's torched.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:48

No, yeah, he he is torched.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:49

And that that shit is just You said, bro, it's torched.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:52

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:54

Oh, I put a WTF in there. I didn't realize to put that. But sorry, continue with your thought though.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:58

But yeah, you know, that right there, I was just like, bro, that bro, like the way that she was trying to spin it, oh, like you're so open-minded, and you know, most guys wouldn't. Like most guys wouldn't. You're right. No guy. No, no, no self-respecting guy wouldn't. Nobody fuck would. You know, no self-respecting dude with a dick would. Another thing though, I'm like, I'm like, it's because because the women on there, the people on there, just the people on there, right? They're like, yeah, like, they're like, yeah, like no one knows like what I do. I'm like, your face isn't on the fucking camera. You're on a fucking a fucking documentary. Like, it's already out. We know what you do.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:30

And this dude too is like, he's like, eh, the way he was talking about, he's like, Yeah, you know, she goes to work and it's like, bro, like no, bro.

SPEAKER_05: 1:34:37

What had me at the end though, because I watched it just to see how the narrative, I watched the end of it to continue to see where the narrative went with this shit. And bro, he literally says, Well, at the end of the day, she comes home to me. She does that point will come in your face. Come in her face, bro. Like, hello, all right. She comes home to you, all right. We'll come in your face would come in her face, bro. Whatever you say.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:59

Say hello to her clients, okay?

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:00

God, bro. That's when I heard that. At the end of the day, she comes home to me. Bro, in what sense of the word, though? You get what's left. You literally get what's left. Anyway, sorry. We're off topic here. We gotta wrap this up, look, man. But look.

SPEAKER_01: 1:35:15

How did we get here?

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:16

The sad thing about that, okay, okay. Now, obviously, that's the opposite of courage, right? Yeah, but it's like that. But that is like where it is, though. He actually he's going back to courage. He was trying to flip it, right? He was trying to flip it and be like, oh, like she comes home to me, and it's like, bro, like, she's she's already been had.

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:35

Like trying to make yeah, trying to make it better, like, oh, but it's all right. She just got a load in the face, but it's okay. Like, I get I get her at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:43

But he bought into it out of fear out of fear of missing out. Because he's like, oh shit, like I'm not gonna be able to experience her anymore. It's like, bro.

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:50

It doesn't even matter if it was all happening at the same time, or she just fucked 10 10 guys that day, or at the same time, or at one after the other. Point is you're gonna get her after all of that is done. Oh, bro. And I you see how it's disturbing, like I'm saying. But you're okay with that? That all her orfices and holes have been God knows what been done to them, and you're it's all right, baby. Come home here. And that and bro. Make sure you shower first. Like what?

SPEAKER_04: 1:36:13

I'll expand on that, right? As preparedly at this at this uh establishment, on a good year they make 14 million. Oh, wow. With just that number. Okay, so on the number they have.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36:23

So then there you go. That's why he's being the beta. No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04: 1:36:27

It still doesn't justify it. It doesn't. Of course it doesn't, but maybe to them, no money can move.

SPEAKER_00: 1:36:33

Okay, but maybe to them, money is the number one rule. And maybe they don't care about anything else but money. And that's when greed comes to play. That was one of my uh five reasons that I don't like about human nature was greed. Because you're willing to put your standards and your morals if you have any. Sorry, if you have any to begin with, um, for for money. So that's what I'm saying. You're you're willing to be humiliated as a man because your girl's out there prostituting, and then you're like fine with it because you're getting 14 million. That's that's you selling your soul.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:11

100%. It is, but I would say, I would say, like, because I mean, let's say with with with greed, right? You can be you can be greedy for money, right? But you're still not willing to compromise your morals. Yeah. Like, like, like, like, like, do you can like money, you can love money, right? And be like, you know what, I'm not gonna do this though to get that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:32

Yeah, but regardless, it's still greed. Because if if you're if money is your number one drive of and of money being rich and stuff like that, that's greed.

SPEAKER_05: 1:37:40

Well, no, not not not if not if you're using it as as a tool, though. If you're if your love for it is because you're able to accomplish things or make things better for it, you know?

SPEAKER_00: 1:37:49

I disagree because greed will it's greed. It's you okay, like let's say this you have enough money to have this apartment and your wife and your kids and you're willing to still buy her a ring, and you have all these things and you're happy. But money brings greed.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:06

But what if I'm striving for mortal to have to give money?

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:09

Well, that's not well, that's not greed. That's it. That's what I'm saying, though.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:12

What is greed?

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:14

What is greed? Um fucking over other people to have what you want.

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:19

To get more.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:20

Yeah, to get more. Um, that sounds like your standards and your morals before you see that's a difference. That's a difference to get where you want to be. See, that's a difference. Um I'm sorry. Always buying scratchers and lottery tickets, that's greed.

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:38

Hey, yeah, yeah. You're gonna win though one day.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:40

Yeah, one day, one day.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:42

But um I'm just saying, like Yeah, like I don't think that's greed, but okay, but I don't think that's greed because if if you do win, and it depends on what you do with that money after. Yeah. I think that that makes it but there are people out there that's not a good thing. That's either defines whether it's greed or not.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why not?

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:58

Now we gotta A, but just so you guys know.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:59

There are people out there that already are yes, just have. Um there are people out there that already have like sustainability, they have mansions, they have money, they they're celebrities, they have b millions and millions of dollars and they want more. Yeah. That's greed. But I don't think it's greed to for you want to want your life to persevere and for you to want more. Of course not. That's not greed. It's just you have to do it the right way. You have to do it the right way.

unknown: 1:39:27

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:27

Yeah, you can't do it. I agree with you. You can't debunk somebody else, you can't fuck somebody else over, you can't like you know, just constantly um deal your lives in like the lottery. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:44

You can't gamble.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:46

No, because gambling, I'm sorry, but gambling's not right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:39:51

I mean, at least like when it's exciting. Well, it's exciting. Or I'll tell you this I've never I've never liked to gamble. I've never liked to gamble. Because my$20 are my fucking$20 and I'm gonna go buy sushi.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:04

But is it exciting to gamble though?

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:06

No, not to me.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:08

What about if you double or triple it? Not at all. What if you double or triple it? I'm sorry. But if it pays for your entire Vegas trip.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:16

No.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:16

I've done that before. I'm not gonna lie.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:18

No, I don't like it. But but that's everybody like I'm not judging you for want like to wanting to gamble. It's fun. You know, you go to school. No, because there is a downside.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:26

You're talking about a downside to it.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:28

Yeah, I'm talking about the downside where it like dictates your own.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:30

But if you walk to the table, she's right. What if you walk to the table and you're like you leave with and you lost everything now? You fucking your savings.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:37

That's greed. Because I'm saying you won mortgage$300 and then you want to bet all those three hundred dollars for a thousand dollars. That's greed.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:46

But what I'm trying to say is there's a chance you could get that, but there's a chance you could fuck it up. Very slight chance.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:52

But I'm just saying like greed.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 1:40:55

There's greed with anything, and that's a human nature to want it's not a human okay, it's not bad to want more out of your life. It's not bad to want a really nice house and make really, really good money. That's not what greed is. What greed is is like gambling. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's it's gambling. It everyone has their own perspective of it, their own intuition, or whatever you want to say it, but it's like, okay, so let's say you win$500 and you want to bet that$500 for uh$20,000, and it's just like you lose all that for that. That's greed. You had a really, really, really good amount of number, like you had good money, but your greed got ahead of you, and then you want to bet this much, and that's what greed is. Come on, I'm I'm just being honest. I'm just being honest, regardless of whether you like the truth or not. I'm just being honest.

SPEAKER_05: 1:41:45

Yeah, no, for sure. Man, that was that was loaded. But that's that's that's true, though. That's exactly what it is, and that's you defined it perfectly. And I had a few things here and there to add to it, but that's pretty much summarizes it. No Furious? Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean? So fuck out of it. We'll get it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:00

No, no, no, I'm just keeping it with this.

SPEAKER_05: 1:42:03

We'll probably have a part two where we circle around and finish up. It was very dense yet, huh?

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:07

Very dense.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:09

Very dense. No, it's no, there's I think there's definitely a lot of opinions to play at this.

SPEAKER_01: 1:42:13

Yeah. And I'm gonna do that.

SPEAKER_00: 1:42:14

To put it in just a one a lot of the opinions because you had your opinion, I had my opinion, you had your opinion. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, this is a a good debate. Absolutely a great debate.

SPEAKER_05: 1:42:23

And we'll continue it in the future. We'll probably go down my uh my negatives and and Julia's negatives, and I think you went over your positives, right? We finished yours, I think, completely. We finished Furious's altogether. So, with that being said, guys, without being too rushed for a conclusion here, um, I'll go ahead and before we wrap the episode, I'll go ahead and pass the microphone one last time over to Furious, then Julia, then myself. What do you guys have left to say to our viewers and and listeners for this week and until next week?

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:49

I'll just say what do you want to leave them with? Stay uh true to yourself, you know. Hey, I'll say if you know you get involved with somebody, just be transparent, you know, transparent. Uh be honest and uh, you know, in your business dealings, like state like exactly like what you want, you know. Stop trying to you know sucker people. I'll say that. Just yeah, just stay true to who you are, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:43:13

Well, well, hold on. Because if it's bad, you know, then don't stay then don't then don't stay true to yourself. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_05: 1:43:20

If you're a pedophile, turn yourself in.

SPEAKER_03: 1:43:22

Alright. If you if you're a good person or get caught by Chris, whichever one comes.

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:28

If you're not, like please try to work on your shit, you know? You know what I'm saying? So that the world's a better place. There's therapy. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Make the world a better place. Yes, make the world a better place, please.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:38

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:38

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:39

Yeah, yeah. Um, stay tuned. Next episode, Fury's gonna take your shirt off. Stay tuned, ladies.

SPEAKER_05: 1:43:47

He's gonna do the whole episode shirtless or is he gonna take it off during the end?

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:50

No, towards the end. Stay tuned all the way towards the end. Of cam? He's look, he's gonna take your shirt off.

SPEAKER_05: 1:43:56

He said off cam. Off camera.

SPEAKER_00: 1:43:59

Ladies, we well, we all want to see this. Stay tuned. Go, Andrew.

SPEAKER_05: 1:44:04

Especially you, apparently. All right, let's see. Okay, so uh what am I gonna say? My final tidbits. All right, guys, without saying the generic stuff.

SPEAKER_04: 1:44:14

You guys even if you're not as cool.

SPEAKER_05: 1:44:17

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:18

It's a joke. It's a joke.

SPEAKER_05: 1:44:20

All right, check this out, guys.

SPEAKER_00: 1:44:20

So stay tuned.

SPEAKER_05: 1:44:22

Yes, uh, you know where to find us YouTube, Rumble, uh, Spotify, Apple Music, all listening. We appreciate all our viewers out there, all of our listeners out there, all of our streamers out there. Thank you guys so much for everything you do every week. Without you guys, this wouldn't be possible. The motivation wouldn't be there. But other than that stuff being said, um, obviously to subscribe, hit the like button, hit the uh notification bell so you know whenever a new episode gets posted, and you never know when that's gonna be in season five, apparently. There's supposed to be days where it comes out, set days, supposed to be every Friday. It hasn't been that way in weeks. I'm working on changing that, guys. My habits are coming back to normal the way they used to be. I promise I'm coming back to form with everything in our program. But uh other than that, um, what I want to say as far as fatty final tip is what we talked about today, there's nothing else to uh add further than that, honestly, other than hey, um, take care of yourself. Have a good day. Have a great fucking day. And uh if human nature is gonna falter in any way, make sure that uh you uh you you do what's right at the end of the day and don't land yourself in prison or in a situation where you gotta murder somebody or cover something up or sell drugs. Be mindful of your actions.

SPEAKER_00: 1:45:32

Um you're not the only one living on this earth, so fucking be mindful and be considerate and be loving because it you know people will fuck you over, but still choose to be a good person because it does reward you at the end of the day, even though you might not see it. Karma comes back around, baby. Yes, it does, and uh you you reap what you sow, so remember that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:45:54

And with that being said, guys, it's been timeless talk. We'll see you guys next week. God bless. Take care.