Timeless Talk
Artistic Creative Director & Host AJ brings onboard Co-Host Fur1ous in the Reboot of the Multi Topic “Conversation that Never Ends” ♾⏰⚡️
Timeless Talk
🍸💔💞Revelations of the Spectrum of Intimacy
Have you ever found yourself at a crossroads between the allure of open skies of Non-Monogamy & the cozy confines of a Monogamous nest? This week, we're bringing you into the heart of one of the most spirited debates in modern love, as our hosts AJ and Co-Hosts Fur1ous & SlideShow, along with our fearless guest Paige, tackle the topic with wit & wisdom. Expect to hear uncensored stories from our personal vaults, as we wrestle with the implications of our intimate choices, all while raising a shot glass to the lessons along the way.
Buckle up for a rollercoaster of emotions & insights as we navigate the often tumultuous journey of relationships. From Paige's candid recollection of her first sexual encounter to the transformative lessons of infidelity and revenge within a marriage, we lay bare the challenges & triumphs of love. We ponder over the value of deep connections, the consequences of a wandering eye, and the richness that comes from embracing our individual paths, whether they lead us to one partner or several.
The kicker? As the episode draws to a close, we toast to life's impermanence and the importance of cherishing each moment & person in our orbit. With a blend of humor, honesty, and a dash of the unexpected, we shed light on the importance of clear communication, personal accountability & finding happiness within ourselves. So join us for an episode that's as much about heart-to-heart conversations as it is about toasting to the adventures that lie ahead in the ever-evolving landscape of love and relationships.
-SpecialGuest Paige (@PaigeyWagey2269)
*First Sexual Experience
*Exploring Monogamy vs. Non-Monogamy
*Exploring the Pros & Cons
*Perspectives on Monogamy & Relationships
*Value and Appreciate Life
*Learn From Past Relationships for Success
*Navigating the Complexities of Dating
*Exploring Polyamory
*Marriage, Infidelity, Revenge
*Friendship Dynamics & Betrayal
*Open Relationships & Non-Monogamy
*Intro Beat Credit: Memnoc (Picasso)*
*Outro Beat Credit: JJ got Beatz*
So eventually the dick's hard and I'm like hold on, y'all both gay, like what the fuck, wait a minute.
Speaker 2:Hold on, bruh, oh shit.
Speaker 4:Bruh.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh, my God, dude, talk about a twist, man.
Speaker 4:Shit. So what are your thoughts on that? I have to go to.
Speaker 2:Sideshow first Broke the fourth wall. Bro, 100% Bro, what are you doing with that situation? What are you thinking, bro? What's on your mind right now?
Speaker 4:Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2:He's speechless. He doesn't know what to say. Hey, you don't want to fuck with us. You don't want to fuck with us. You don't want to fuck with us. You don't want to fuck with us. And welcome back to the conversation that never ends. This is Timeless Talk. I'm your host, aj, and this is the second to last episode of season four. You guys aren't hyped at all. What is this like? You're so focused over there. What's going on, bro? What's that? You're just, you're just yeah, I'm just uh.
Speaker 2:There's no cheering going on, there's no, there's no, we're almost fucking done with this season over there. Ain't shit, bro. It's just zoned out like I'm, that's in right now. That's a normal fury. That's normal fury. Yeah, bro, you are. So you know what? Someone told me that you're really tense over there, furious. So just like man why is?
Speaker 3:it do with the like.
Speaker 2:Like you just look like you're mad, like you want to kill somebody.
Speaker 3:I was like it kind of goes with his name no, just kidding.
Speaker 2:they just say you look hella serious, like they wouldn't want to pick a fight with you.
Speaker 5:Yeah, bro, you intimidated me bro, he's like good shit.
Speaker 1:That's what I want to do.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, I'm going to leave it in there. All right, guys, let's do these intros real quick, man, before we get to our lovely guest here on my left, I'm going to go ahead and go left to right. We got the man, the myth, the legend Furious. Yeah, bro, hey man. So how you feeling today? Pretty, pretty good. You ready to do this episode, bro? Yes sir, you feel prepared?
Speaker 5:yeah, you're excited. I like how it's pretty good looks pretty angry okay, man.
Speaker 2:He sounded like it looks pretty, pretty angry. He said all right, man, over here to my right we have slideshow. Thank you. How do you usually ask us how do you feel after page show? Thank you, how do you ask us how do you feel after Paige? Right, you know, I'm going to ask our guest right now how she feels once I properly introduce her. So over here to my direct left we have the lovely Paige. Thank you for being on the show with us today. Paige, appreciate it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I want to get this out the way.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we have a shot in front of us guys.
Speaker 5:We're going to get this out the way. Oh yeah, we have a shot in front of us, guys. We're going to start this. We're going to do it on camera we're doing it on camera, bro they don't know when we record it, it's 5 o'clock somewhere they
Speaker 2:don't know what time it is. Let's take a little shot right now. Start the episode off a little different than normal. You know what I'm saying? Sinners ready. 1, two, three go, all right, okay, why don't you?
Speaker 5:drink your rubbing alcohol.
Speaker 2:Is that what it tastes like to you? It's whiskey, man, is that what?
Speaker 3:it was Jim Beam, I mean.
Speaker 2:Beam, Beam, Beam with an M. All right Anyway. All right, guys. So today's episode we're going to have an interesting one. It's going to be about monogamy versus non-monogamy relationships. You know, we have a female with a nice, you know, female with a good perspective on the show today, so we're going to get everybody's take on it, their personal reflections on it, share some of their experiences with you know, either monogamy or non-monogamy and the importance of it, right, the differences, the pros, the cons. That's kind of what we're going to go over. But before we jump into that topic, I want to let you audience to get to know Ms Paige a little bit more. So, Paige, I ask you what are you willing to share with the Timeless Talk audience? What do you want to share about yourself before we actually dive into the topic at hand?
Speaker 1:I'm a mom, I have a few kids.
Speaker 2:Well, I have two kids, but occupation I'm a security officer okay, okay, so you're a security officer, you're a mom, let's say that's a. That's basically two jobs, right? I know, I know how that could be. I'm a parent myself, so I know exactly how that feels. Like, um, on this show page, we all, just so you know, we all, we are open. It's open forum. You can ask us whatever you want. Okay, I hope you're okay with us asking you whatever we want to ask. Okay, we're hitting the login, all right. So monogamy, non-monogamy, before we jump exactly into that, are you willing? Because every every female that we've had, every female we've had on this show, I know that furious, wasn't around for this but, but we always ask them how was your first time sexually?
Speaker 2:Did you, did you enjoy it, did you hate it, how was it, how was the experience for you and what are you willing to share about it?
Speaker 1:Um, I mean, I enjoyed it. Okay, that's awesome, so yeah, and.
Speaker 5:I enjoyed it. It's awesome. Oh yeah, we actually get mixed reviews on that.
Speaker 2:We do Really. Yeah, like we had a memory, we already know what you want to bring.
Speaker 2:We had on the show, right, and her first time. Furious wasn't here for this, but recap to those that are fans of the show, that know what I'm talking about we had a relationship episode with her. You're going to bring this up. That's the thighs one, right? Yeah, okay, dude went to work on her thighs and she thought that she was having sex, but he really he couldn't even find the hole. So he went to town on her thighs and finished in between the thighs.
Speaker 2:She was that good and she didn't know any better. So she thought that's what it felt like. Like yo, because she didn't know what was in. She didn't know what. In felt like you know what I mean, I guess. So when bro had his way with her thighs and was like yo, I hit it. Bro over to his homies, like okay, bro, there was a breeze in there, though I don't know why, but I felt a breeze at the end for some reason, like yeah, yeah, so her situation was like that and she's like when I actually felt it, it hurt the first time so she didn't really enjoy her first she probably had like yeah.
Speaker 2:Who knows, because then she's like I went over here bragging to my girlfriends too, and it turned out it wasn't even really the thing either, so hopefully you didn't have an experience like that, though. Right, okay, that's good, you at least enjoyed your first time.
Speaker 1:Well, like when initially, like when the cherry pops, you're a bloody mess, you're blue. I bled for like two days.
Speaker 5:That's not.
Speaker 1:Not everyone A lot of um. I'm friends with a lot of Hispanics and they're like I didn't bleed, like what cherry, and I'm like what. Like I bled, that shit pops and I was like what the fuck, and it was like a river. Yeah, wow, I bled for two days straight.
Speaker 2:Two days straight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so my first time was not enjoyable. Okay, we'll get there. It was not enjoyable it I bled, like, initially, like the wiener goes in, and then it just popped and it was like floodgates so I bled for two days straight.
Speaker 5:I've never heard that before. I thought it was like a period or something, but no, I've heard of it like being a drop of blood or like two drops, but I've never heard of that. That's crazy. Yeah, that's wild wow, okay.
Speaker 2:Hey, you know what everybody's experience is different. You just explained how yours was. That's um, that's crazy. Yeah, that's wow, wow, okay. Hey, you know what everybody's experience is different. You just explained how yours was. That's um, that's interesting two days, yeah, that's a first for me to hear that too, were you were you worried or you already knew what it was?
Speaker 1:I thought it was my period oh, but it was due to the actual act, yeah, oh so then I was like oh, it makes sense so what led up to it?
Speaker 2:Was it a crazy experience? Did you guys plan it? Did it kind of just happen? Did you envision it in your head going down a certain way? Or did it just happen the way it happened and you're like oh, I guess that's the first time.
Speaker 1:So I was young, young, I was like 13. It was after my winter ball and it was to an ex I was, and it was um to to an ex um, I was with him for like 14 years but uh, I didn't know what was gonna happen.
Speaker 2:I mean you have hopes, but you never know. Yeah, you know for sure.
Speaker 1:So that happened. And then, um, I think he broke up with me like two weeks later, wow, and he got back with me like okay um two years after that, but so with someone you would say at least it mattered they.
Speaker 2:They mattered to you. It wasn't a random, which is good yeah, someone meaningful?
Speaker 1:no, I, I definitely. I grew up with them okay, all right, cool.
Speaker 2:Do you guys still talk to this day or no?
Speaker 1:you kind of just uh, we're in the middle of a divorce oh hey, you know what, though?
Speaker 2:at least you actually tried it out with that person all the way you went, all the way you guys got married. You know it wasn't a beautiful, pretty picture, but you at least you made it, you tried. You can actually look back on that, knowing that you know you're reflecting that you actually gave it a real shot we did that's good before we move on.
Speaker 2:Do any of you guys want to ask miss page before we jump in, or you want to just go? Just ask, go yeah, just as we go. Okay, cool, sounds good. All right guys. So monogamy, right. Monogamy, non-monogamy.
Speaker 5:Wait, hold on. Remind me of the difference between the two. I know, one is like single.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, no, not necessarily. You're never single.
Speaker 5:No single like single partner.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, yeah, monogamy is I use your loyal to one, okay.
Speaker 5:All right.
Speaker 2:So non-monogamy is you have an open relationship.
Speaker 5:That's open? Yeah, or just more than one partners yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, essentially, yeah, that's basically what it is. So I'm going to ask the panel feel free, you guys, to answer, jump in as if you want and go ahead and go with our guests first. Actually, you know the show manners. We'll let you answer first and then we'll go. We'll go accordingly, but in your personal experience I'll start. I'll start with the easier one. We'll save the the grittier one for a little later. Monogamy have you experienced it? How, what, how is it? Are you currently in it? Did you do it in the past, and what do you feel are the pros and cons?
Speaker 1:So I am in a monogamous relationship right now. Okay, I think it's been a couple months, but I was in a non-monogamous relationship for like a hot minute, and that's just something I'm used to is the non-monogamous relationship. Like sleeping with other people, couple swaps, threesomes, like all of that, so like I'm used to that. So like me now being in a non-monogamous relationship is like a whole different entity.
Speaker 2:That transition, though right, yes, the transition You're like what the fuck am I like? What am I doing now?
Speaker 1:like oh you don't want threesomes, or oh, like we're not like doing this couple swaps and he's like no, like not about it whatsoever, and I'm like really like there's no other girls you're trying to like bang with me and no, and I'm like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:like it's a whole different, it's just different so you like him enough to give that a try, though, obviously man, I'm in love with this, I'm in love with them okay. So there's a part of you okay. So I'm gonna ask the question is a part of you happy that he's like that, or do you wish he would invite someone else to the bedroom to kind of spice it up a little bit?
Speaker 1:you know what I I, you know how, when you have someone else and you bring them into the room like you have to give them a certain amount of attention, then your spouse is given, or whomever is giving them, a certain amount of attention yeah um, like you know your role, so this man I all the attention's on me. It's nice. It's a nice, it's just different. It's nice, I like it. I don't mind it. It's just something that I have to grow accustomed to and I have to learn to. I don't fucking know.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, you're trying to find that adjustment, you're trying to figure out. She's like I'm trying to figure the adjustment out. Yeah, no, I get that.
Speaker 1:It makes sense that's crazy, you know how people's like normality, it's like, um, it's just different. So mine was a non-monogamous relationship and, like everyone, or some, most are like monogamous, so this is different it is no for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we appreciate you sharing that with us. That's, that's interesting. So maybe in a way, I almost I guess I probably should ask you the non-monogamy first right, we'll get to that, you feel like, but do you feel like you're being successful in that so far? Do you feel like maybe okay?
Speaker 1:so far, because even after, uh, like my marriage didn't work out like god, I cheated on every single one of them, but this one I have. No like I don't want to cheat, I don't, I don't want to do any of that. I don't want to look at porn like I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm the desire.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm content with him, so it's nice nice. It's a different kind of it's different, it's so fucking different wow, that's cool.
Speaker 2:Okay, you know I'm happy for you. That's great that that's ended up being the case. Yeah, for sure. Other questions?
Speaker 5:yeah, according to, like you know, just human nature, everything is like always better when it's no rules or when it's less rules, right? So is it like from going from, is it non-monogamy? To?
Speaker 1:monogamous yeah.
Speaker 5:Is that like? Does that feel like the high went down since there's more rules, since it's just one-on-one, or you know what.
Speaker 1:So he never puts rules. It's just kind of like you just know, because the conversations have been had Like oh, I don't like this, or this isn't what I like to do. So then you kind of just check yourself. You know what I mean. Like I check myself because I'm like, oh, he doesn't like this, so don't do this. Like, oh, I'm checking out these women. Like maybe I shouldn't don't go talk to them because that's disrespectful, don't be disrespectful. So it's, the high hasn't come down, but I just checked myself you know more than you used to.
Speaker 1:Yeah more than I used to because before I was like, oh hey, you want to come to the room, you know, or you?
Speaker 2:would invite who you wanted to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah so well, it had to be okay with, like, my partner but, um, for the most part, I don't. I don't mind, Like I it's, it has just been an adjustment. It's just been adjustment. Basically it ain't bad. I don't. I have no complaints, Okay.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm sexually satisfied so that's, that's good. Hey, that's important. That's more important than people let on to be sometimes, right yeah because sometimes they bring it like little wieners and you're like oh we gotta invite somebody else.
Speaker 1:You know, yo, yo I don't know what.
Speaker 2:Are you guys afraid to laugh? What is this? I'm so reserved. It's like just kind of like this no, but you know what? Are you guys afraid to laugh? What is this? I'm so reserved.
Speaker 3:I'm laughing on this. This is funny bro.
Speaker 2:No, but you know what, though I respect how honest you're being about that, as a little wiener you're like, oh bro, this might be a problem. You know what I mean? The same it Yo.
Speaker 5:I don't know what this is, man.
Speaker 3:I think guys do the same thing comes in he's like it's all right, baby, I'll put it down.
Speaker 4:He's like bro, you can sit over there and you can watch. Hey, man, that makes you a what it makes you a cut.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got sound effects on this thing, so I love this thing, um, but yeah, oh, man, this time talk. We don't have no filters here. You guys already know how it is, man, so that's good, all right. So before we move on to the non-monogamy portion, I got to be fair. Do you have more you want to add to that? Before we move on to these guys? Oh no, go for it. Okay, mr Furious, what about you, sir?
Speaker 3:Your experiences with monogamy. How do you feel about it? Pros and cons. What you got, I mean, I think the cons of monogamy is that you don't have like you can't really exercise like your freedom, you know, with like options.
Speaker 3:I guess that's that's a con, you know, and I'll say it's only a con if you're not satisfied. Within that, that uh, monogamous you know of, I would say that's a con that does pop up. I would say. A pro of it, though, is that you can build on a connection with an individual and as much as you water it you can make it stronger every day and there's unlimited potential when it comes to having another person with you If you're doing it right, yeah, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:um, as far as like non-monogamy, of course, I mean the pros is freedom, absolute freedom well, save that thought, save that thought we're coming to that next?
Speaker 2:yeah, I'm gonna come back around for that he's like oh, shit no, no but is there anything you want to share personally, though, with your monogamy situation that you're like, because I know now you're, you know, ladies he's single right now right now. Right now he's not monogamy. Ladies out there they're. They're watching this. My uh, what do you call bubbles here?
Speaker 3:it's available cobra bubbles, cobra bubbles, right here. You know what I'm saying yeah, I mean cocky loaded. I just saw the picture. Yeah, okay, so what was the?
Speaker 2:so is there anything you want to like? As far as you're since I know you're non-monogamous right now what can you take from, at least what do you feel like you've learned, right so, from the relationship that you had last that was monogamous, that failed. What do you see? What do you walk away from that knowing now?
Speaker 2:obviously you know eventually, maybe, right, you'd entertain the idea of being with somebody again right in the future yeah what can you say that you took away from that last relationship that you're gonna apply to fix differently in this one coming up in the future?
Speaker 3:don't rush anything and, uh, you know, keep your feelings in check. Like feelings come and go, it's, at the end of the day, it's you know, if that person, if you guys click like I mean like if you click even, like when the feelings aren't there, like if you guys can still, still operate listen to the vibes, yeah.
Speaker 3:You know Cause. I mean like there's going to be times where you don't like that person. You know what I'm saying. So that's like inevitable with everybody. There's going to be something about them at that moment where it just doesn't, it just rubs you the wrong way, you don't agree with it. Exactly. You know what? I don't click at all. Then it's, it's, uh yeah, it's not even a toss-up oh, 100.
Speaker 2:I even agree, if there's more fights than there is pleasure there's no point.
Speaker 3:But it's like, honestly, it's like you got to click on all three levels, like you got to click sexually, you got to click mentally, you got to click emotionally. You got to.
Speaker 2:You know those things all have to align, because I agree, because if you don't, if you have one or the other, if you're suffering from one, I mean you can make it work with just one, but it's going to be a reluctant type of thing yeah and then someone's going to end up cheating. Let's be real, let's keep it a buck, you know, I mean someone's going to end up veering off and trying something different. That's just what happens.
Speaker 2:Is what happens if you're lacking on both sides, you know, yep and say again that you know, with that being said, viewers and listeners, I'm not saying like it justifies cheating. It doesn't, but there's a reason. There's a reason, there's a reason to the madness, you know. I mean, there's a reason for it happening. I'm not saying that I condone it, but I'm saying that this is why it happens. You know, people wonder why the fuck did they do this? It's not necessarily your fault, but maybe you were lacking in something that they should have communicated on before they went and did it. You know, in my opinion, you don't think so.
Speaker 2:I always heard it ain't better, it's just different it could be that too, it could be that, and you know what that's actually? I I had a recent conversation with somebody just last night about that and I don't gotta say any names, but he, he put it into perspective. I was like that's kind of true, actually. Thank you, I appreciate that you're having a problem about to happen. I'll just appreciate that. She would have spilled all over me like oh fuck bro, technical difficulties anyway, um, yeah, I know, but he kind of said that too. He's like it's just that it's different and sometimes females don't understand that you, we as men, like we, we're capable, because when women cheat, it's usually emotional, it's emotional reasons, usually right, but when men do it it's kind of like.
Speaker 2:I just wanted to try that. I don't love this woman, I don't even give a shit about her, which is true. We can. We even know how to shut it off. We just wanted to taste it, try it out and then make sure we still nurture. We have over here with family, with as messed up as that sounds, but that's really what it is at its core. If you want to look at it in an animal I guess not animalistic, but like if you want to say, um, what's the word I'm looking for? There's a word for it. Hold on, uh, primal instinct, right, primal instinct tells you that's what that means when the guy as cliche as it might sound, I don't really care about her. He really doesn't. Nine times out of ten he doesn't really give a shit about her, but it's still fucked up, though.
Speaker 3:I would add if it's a dude's first chick that's not the case he's going to love that chick. But if he has experience, then you learn how to how to like detach. You know I'm saying, but exactly if you've only had one or two women in your whole life.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you're gonna be stuck on both of them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's true, that's true actually, no, because you don't have that, you don't have the experience. So I think it's different for like, it's different for men and women, like, like for men it's like, it's good if we have that, if we have like that experience. For some reason I'm saying like.
Speaker 3:That's why, like, if you hear about a dude who's like, who's had like 100 girls, you know yeah bro like that's what's up, you know yeah because it's not like like the odds are already stacked against us, you know, I mean like we're already like in competition with with other males. Yeah, you know I'm saying no for sure fact that someone can get that, oh shit, like so. But on the opposite side, you know, I'm saying it doesn't, it's, it's looked at.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a game of life, like you said. You talked about it the other episode, a couple episodes ago, and you know not. Just that, and just so for the record. So everybody knows. We're not saying that that's necessarily how we are here at this table. I'm just saying in general, right, in general, some men, that's how they handle it, most men, that's kind of how we are, how we're built DNA-wise. I feel like the one, the men that are able to stay monogamous, they understand how to suppress it, like myself, it's hard, it's a challenge every day, right, but you have to suppress it for the sake of your relationship, the respect you have for your partner. You're suppressing it. That's just gonna keep it a buck. Let's be honest. That's what you're doing. You're not gonna lie to your girl. You're lying your fucking ass off. Then let's be real.
Speaker 4:I was keeping it a buck right. Everybody looks.
Speaker 2:Everybody fucking looks. I look too, she looks too Exactly. It's wired in us to do that. I'm sorry to say. It's just 100% biologically the truth. All you're doing when you're monogamy to be fruitful, he's like you're suppressing your primal instinct and your primal right to do.
Speaker 3:That's basically what it is.
Speaker 2:It's a primal right. I hate to say it like that but like dude, I'm not going to embarrass the dogs, but that's what dogs do. Dogs like they multiply, bro. They fucking, they're fruitful. Whatever dog, my dog was a hoe he knocked up every dog on the block, bro, and he picked. It was weird because did I tell you guys this thing? I might have told them off the record, but I'll tell real quick on the record for miss page here. Real quick sidebar story has to do with this. This non-monogamous dog of mine, right bro, knocked up every. I told you this off the record. I told, I told, I told a few years this. So my dog, rocky bro, was a player. He literally smacked every dog on the block. But there was this border colleague that he liked a lot and I know this because he returned to her house the most. For some reason he had puppies with her. He got puppies with the other ones too, but he never went back to their houses. I would catch him at her house.
Speaker 2:I remember one day my neighbor called me. I came home early from work. I'm like where the fuck is this fool? He was in the yard, so I figured out his schedule. Dogs are smart. They don. They can't look at the clock, but they can tell where the sun is in the sky and they know when their owner's going to be back home. This motherfucker was back in the yard behind the fence before I got home because he knew what time I'd pull up every day. But the day that I got he was smart as hell. But one day I got home early his ass wasn't back there. I was like, yeah, there we go, I show up.
Speaker 2:It was the funniest thing ever. It was like a kid, like a deer caught in headlights. Dude, I walk in there to see him. He's like he looks at me and he's laying down with her in her bed and look like a kid just got caught. Yeah, little puppies look just like him and her. They were cute as hell. Yeah, we ended up splitting them.
Speaker 2:Long story short, I didn't tell you this part of the story, but we ended up selling the puppies and they split half the, half the killing with me, which was cool because you know you made half the, but it was funny. Man like I was like bro, you, this is what you're doing, I'm at work, and he just walked out. He did the walk of shame to the car. I'm like really this word, wow bro. I was like, okay, so yeah, he picked one. So I was like I thought it was funny. The reason why I'm telling the story is I thought it was funny how he had a human trait in a way, kind of you know, it's kind of like he had his favorite one. Well, he fucked the block, but he, for some reason, he had his mane and he laid in bed with her bro.
Speaker 2:He was in her little fucking doggy bed with the puppies on the side, like it was priceless man. I was laughing. It's just like that, you know. I mean that moment of getting caught, bro. When he saw me, his ears raised, he looked at me like, oh shit, like my secret's out, he's never. You're not supposed to be here this early. But anyway, back to the topic, guys. I thought that was funny. I wanted to share that with y'all. But, um, yeah, slideshow. What are your thoughts on monogamy, sir? How do you feel about it? What are your personal experiences with it? Are you currently single? What's the deal, yo, with you, sir? Um, why are you looking here, afraid to speak?
Speaker 5:come on, I was gonna say um well, first of all, I think that term is different when it comes to both relationships well, boyfriend and girlfriend, and then when you're married, I think, I think it has different rules oh yeah, no for sure absolutely.
Speaker 2:I feel like when you have that bond, bless you, god bless you. When you have that blonde, are you good? I feel like. I feel like when you have that bond, man, it's different. When I mean it is different but it's not because, like the, the, the commitment should always be there right, even before the ring comes.
Speaker 1:What I'm trying to say, I mean when you're dating, yeah, yeah, essentially, when you're dating, you're dating. Yes, because essentially, when you're dating, you're courting them to marry them, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But if you're just fucking like, that's different.
Speaker 2:Exactly, it's kind of detached, but I feel like when you're just fucking, though it leads to eventual feelings right, no it doesn't Never, well, so.
Speaker 1:I know you said like oh, most women are like act on emotion. But I feel like I'm a different breed because I was in a non monogamous relationship for so long and like once you get past like the cheating and all that like eventually you're just like fuck it. Then you start thinking like a dude.
Speaker 2:So you're the outlier in a way, but not in a bad way. She's basically the outlier because she was able to adjust.
Speaker 3:You can detach from all that shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah so when women are capable of doing that eventually yes, yeah, 100 I believe it okay, but it does I.
Speaker 3:But like it does take it takes trauma it takes uh hurt. You're crying like eventually, you're just like you're over it you're just like you're over it.
Speaker 4:You're stagnant.
Speaker 1:Like all right.
Speaker 2:Now I'm a dude. Yo, you know what, though I'm not mad at you. Hey, you're being honest, you're giving us some real shit. Yeah, bro, I respect it, but go ahead, sideshow. I'm going to cut you off, though, sorry. What were you going to say?
Speaker 5:No, no, no yeah you're gonna say something.
Speaker 2:Get you get your thought out, man. I forgot it's a talk show. Bros, it's timeless talk, come on are you single or not? Yeah, that's the question, or you don't know?
Speaker 5:yet no, yeah, oh, you're single yeah okay um you're talking to me now I was gonna say that the thing is, I don't really, I don't really believe in the whole boyfriend and girlfriend theory why, um, at least for me. Um, okay, about to get good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, he's like let me adjust myself get comfortable. Oh shit, here we go well, if we're, you're diving into it.
Speaker 5:I want to say if we're going by the book, here we go, and we not, we don't.
Speaker 5:I'll be the first to say I don't completely go by the book, but I mean it's like one foot in and one foot out, because and when I say by the book I mean the bible- oh, okay, you know yeah, by the bible, like back then and I know it was a completely different time, but it was like, uh, they had a system where, like your parents chose who you married, kind of thing, kind of like you didn't, you didn't, you weren't really able to venture off like that. So it's like kind of in a sense. If I'm still looking at it like that, it's kind of like if you're not married, you kind of you kind of don't really have anything. But I mean, like I don't believe in whole boyfriend and girlfriend thing, but I think the strongest thing you could give somebody is your word, I think anything past that is kind of like, at least for me I think.
Speaker 5:It think is kind of like controlling, like you know the whole, I need to see where you're at, I see what you're doing, kind of thing. Or like I don't know. I kind of. I kind of feel like it's kind of like a cause. You could do all that at the end of the day. You know put so much time, you know money, all this and that, but then just for that person to turn around and leave the very next day.
Speaker 1:That's true. So my logic is I'd rather have loyalty than love.
Speaker 5:I've heard that. I've heard that.
Speaker 1:Because, with loyalty, like they're always going to be there for you. And you know you don't need their. You know you don't need a tracker. You don't need to know where they're going. They don't have to say nothing because they're loyal to you. You know that they're going to stick by you at the end of the day. But love like it can go and fuck you over, Fuck all your homies, and then they're going to come and kiss you on the mouth.
Speaker 4:Like that's man, you can do that shit Love is just emotion.
Speaker 2:That's why.
Speaker 5:Yeah, here is like, it's like the wisdom. I would say it's like the wisdom aspect. Guys, you know what?
Speaker 3:I'm saying, but it's like not everyone's capable of that. Oh, that's true.
Speaker 4:But then they also say true love never fails though right but I think that's a cliche you did. It just sounds good.
Speaker 3:It sounds good because that's it, because on the real bro, I think that love comes and goes, bro, there's times that you that, that that you're gonna hate that person. You're with them so much, bro, so much. There's gonna be times, bro, where you're like damn, like you always do this shit, like god damn, you annoying, you know what I'm saying, but you still love them.
Speaker 5:But it's like in that moment you're like fuck, like you're fucking annoying but then again, like maybe that's not true love, accurate, I was gonna say, because there's been times where, like I broke up with somebody and like they got into an accident and I mean we weren't, we weren't even talking, and I'm like, okay, well, I sent my triple a and then I had to meet them at their house because triple a person need to see my information.
Speaker 3:So I went to their house okay, but that's a good gesture that's a good that's an x, but no, yeah, yeah, yeah but hey, but see, but look, but see.
Speaker 5:But just because you're max, I don't gotta hate you, I don't gotta treat you bad okay, fair enough, I ain't use my triple a.
Speaker 1:What?
Speaker 2:no, she said, you're fucked. She called an old person, call your mama.
Speaker 5:No, but see, but that's. But that's why, like, if I love you, whether we stay together or not, I'm always do right by you yeah, but that's not true, love though you wouldn't have broken up with them.
Speaker 1:If that was true love. If you want to go by the cliche, of true love.
Speaker 5:But then, but there's, there's I love you versus I'm in love with you, correct?
Speaker 3:Okay hold on, that is true but that. But then where does true love apply?
Speaker 5:then True love, I think that does apply to the aspect of wanting to be with you, because I think that true love no true love. It's probably a bit of both, probably a bit about the in love and also, you know, because then true love is like we could still fall apart for maybe a couple years, but we'll, we'll still always find our way back.
Speaker 1:I don't think so, man. I don't think so. That doesn't true. Love sounds absolute.
Speaker 3:To me you said, that doesn't happen.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, it shouldn't like. Oh damn uh. We drifted off. Now you're fucking all these dudes and we're gonna get back together when you're ran through. I'll say yeah, that's true love. I'll say that that's more like a hell no, like a twin flame type of thing.
Speaker 3:That's like a twin flame yeah that sounds better where you're, just like you know you guys are. You guys are very connected when you guys when you guys are together, but when you guys drift apart, you guys do your own thing. You know what you guys are very connected when you guys are together, but when you guys drift apart, you guys do your own thing. You know what I'm saying. But it's like you're better off together, but for some reason you both want to just do things that are not aligned. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Okay, but that's more like into like that's a different type of cult type of shit, you know twin flames and shit. I just you know, what I'm saying, but that's how I articulate it. You know what I mean. Because love is a tricky thing, man. It's tricky, it is Because it's emotion and it's action, and it's also like conviction. It's also like belief too. It's not just. You know, it's so abstract. The abstractness of that concept is so broad. Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Like sometimes we get lost and just just figuring out like what it is, what it is you know it's so like elusive, but like we, we can feel it, but like it's hard to explain it. You know I'm saying especially like when you're in love with somebody. It's like I don't know, it's like I just see something about this person, you know I'm saying I'll do anything for them.
Speaker 3:You know I mean you'm saying Like, but it's a lot deeper than like what people can really realize. I think you know what I'm saying. I don't think anyone can really like explain it. You know what I'm saying, like it's just one of those things that you have to. It doesn't have a cap, Like it's like if you're experiencing enough to feel that shit, you know what I'm saying for a fucking extended amount of time, cherish that shit for as long as you can, because it will end. Thanks, alma too. It will end.
Speaker 5:Yeah, bro, you're saying 10 times out of 10, it will end it will end.
Speaker 3:You think so? Hell yeah, it will end, damn.
Speaker 2:Drop the gems, bro, it's going to end, bro.
Speaker 3:I'm like I'm going to know when I'm going to miss my life. Yeah, this is all going to end. Cherish that shit, Whoa. This whole season is going to end bro.
Speaker 5:Are you?
Speaker 3:talking about death. Do us part, or are you talking about death? It's so immediate too. You know what I'm saying. It's like, bro, like think about it. You're, you're in love with this person, right? Let's just take you and and your dude, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, you're in love with this person you're saying with everything going on right now. Right, like, like what if the last time that you saw him was the last time that that you're ever gonna see him? Not to you know. Knock on wood, right yeah but think about it. You know, I'm saying cherish that shit you know I'm saying like all the experiences that you have like yeah before that, like that shit doesn't matter.
Speaker 3:But the thing is is like, in these days and ages, like people are so like I got options, I got this, I got that they don't cherish like the experience because, like one, it's like, once you're, if you're lucky enough to make it to age 60, right and and even like, even like, reminisce on, like what you had, it's like damn. Like you, you started appreciating shit. You know, I mean, even at this age that we're at now, we're like damn, like I could have did this, I could have. You know what I'm saying. So, yeah, it's, it's a lot more than it's we. We don't give it enough credit no, for sure you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I agree, it's one of those things like it's. I agree it's fleeting, so you have to appreciate that shit it is fleeting, yeah, very fleeting, you ain't wrong fleeting, you ain't wrong. Dang man, you know, this is a good little segment right here man. What's the word I'm looking for? Not divisive. That was very uh deep, no I thought it was deep, deep. No, I was trying, it's deep, don't get me wrong. Inspiring but, there's.
Speaker 2:No, there's a word I was looking for, damn it. We'll just say deep and inspiring good job. I'll give you flowers in your hand. Yeah, yeah, our audience loves you furious, even though you intimidate a quarter of them. They don't want to step out of line when you're around. How do I do that? You know? Someone told me they wonder what eye color you have, bro. What's your eye color? Make a quarter of them. They don't want to step out of line when you're around. How do I do that? Someone told me they wonder what eye color you have, bro, what your eye color is, because they don't know. Man, are you serious? Yeah, someone asked me that. Shit, bro. They said, hey, what color eyes does a black Terminator have? What color eyes does he have? The black Terminator they emphasize that man what color eyes does he have?
Speaker 1:The black Terminator yeah, bro.
Speaker 2:They emphasize that too.
Speaker 3:Hey, james Cameron, black Terminator Right there bro.
Speaker 2:We just gave you your next big blockbuster movie. Sideshow. Do you have anything else you want to add to that, Any personal experiences you want to share with the panel and the audience about your personal experiences with monogamy?
Speaker 4:and what it did for you.
Speaker 2:And I ask you the same question. We'll answer that first, and I got one more question for you sure.
Speaker 5:Well, I actually, I actually didn't, uh, I guess I guess just just a one-on-one relationship caused me to. I guess just a bad experience just caused me to like think about it. Like that, like hold on the relationship don't really make sense to me. Then I started thinking, like I felt like we kind of made a adult version of something we did as kids, if that makes sense. Like you know, you got older, so the only thing that changed is you know, you got to spend more time together. You got money now so you know you could.
Speaker 5:You know disneyland, this that, that you could spend a night at each other's house. So it's kind of like. Kind of for me it was looked at as like just playing kids. And then you know if you're somebody that, like I guess, thinks ahead of the game, you know you try to plan for the future, but if not and you're just there with that person, then you get kids involved and then before you know it like damn all these real struggles come and you're oh, maybe I don't really feel like how I feel with this person, but at that point you're already too invested because you got kids and all this on the way.
Speaker 5:Y'all moved in, y'all live together, so it's like it's kind of got to make it work. I'm just speaking from somebody that, like you know, don't really have too much guidance on that side of life. So it's kind of like you know, just kind of test it out.
Speaker 2:I see how it works. For sure I hear you okay. So what? What? In my last question for you and monogamy, and the same question I asked furious what, what can you take from that relationship going forward? So, when you're single, now, right, but when you do get in the next monogamous relationship you have, if you choose to go that route right, choose, choose monogamy and not have four, threesomes and and all the extra shit. No, I'm just saying so. If you choose that route, right, you go monogamy. What can you take from that relationship that you, that you know now what to avoid and what? What have you learned from it going forward? So, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do differently going?
Speaker 5:forward. I think what I would do differently is, um, I think I think one thing, one thing I always tried to do back then is always, you know, try to make a good first impression, which is okay. But I think one thing I would try is, um, getting all that tough stuff out the way first, kind of like you know, hey, like are you religious? Cause you know, I'd get those big ones out the way they usually like it's a killer later on down the line, when we're already a little invested. So like, hey, you know, are you christian or you know how christian are you?
Speaker 5:or you know like, or they're catholic yeah or like, because all that stuff may make all the difference, because if you like, if you like, oh, like, for example, like, oh, like, like she said, catholic iday Venice.
Speaker 1:Yeah like, oh, at least she's religious too.
Speaker 5:But then it goes deeper than that, because if it's someone that's really religious. You know, my book says you know y'all not supposed to pray to nobody but God, but y'all pray to Michael.
Speaker 1:Right and Guadalupe. Yeah, that conflict right there.
Speaker 5:What the?
Speaker 2:hell. So, yeah, it is conflict, because it's like yo, the saints they're in heaven, but they can't hear your prayers or praying to Virgin Mary.
Speaker 5:They're not omnipresent, they're not.
Speaker 2:God.
Speaker 3:So it's basically demonic.
Speaker 5:To a Christian yeah, To a Christian, yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but then you also have a time limit. You know what? They don't celebrate holidays or just like the Holy Witness, they don't even celebrate birthdays, or just like the Holy Witness.
Speaker 5:Oh yes, they don't even celebrate birthdays. Oh shit, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:You can't multiply with that, because my kids are having birthday parties, right.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah, they're going to enjoy those experiences.
Speaker 4:Little things like that cause conflicts.
Speaker 2:That's just the little things like that cause conflicts, yeah so you might exactly Exactly, and if you're with someone who's so damn you know, gung-ho in that belief we're not having a fucking birthday party today. You're like, yes, the fuck, we are my kid's not going to be, you know deprived of having a good time with their friends because you don't want to celebrate their life or celebrate, and they're just as strong as what they believe as you are with what you believe, exactly. So you're just going to clash.
Speaker 1:It's not going yeah, you know what I mean like when you're first dating like the first date, like I'll ask you a thousand questions, I don't fuck.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like it's like an interview, it's an interview.
Speaker 1:It is like if you don't meet this or there's any red flags, I'm bouncing oh, but that's great everything.
Speaker 5:Yes, man, huh, yeah, but that's a trick.
Speaker 3:That that's one of the tricky things about dating is because people go into already knowing like, okay, I'm gonna be asked questions, I'm gonna be do this, and I'm saying so, some people, if they, if they're just trying to, like you know, finesse their way to a certain objective, you know yeah, but it's gonna be hard to like that. You're like, oh well no, your religion, no, I'm talking like are you a christian?
Speaker 4:no, yeah, of course, and they're like really, seven day menace no, no no but it's like.
Speaker 3:But it's like, let let's say that that did come up and you asked me in a different, more casual kind of way. I might just answer it in a way that's very ambiguous and it's like you know what I'm saying, where I'm trying to, I'm still keeping information from you. Oh, you know what?
Speaker 3:I'm saying but that's like a mini question you get to that root no, but I'm saying someone who's, who's smart and and like has a goal. You're not gonna really get it like that, bro yeah you're gonna have to wait for them to like slip up to catch it.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying because, yeah, people, people know people. After you date a while, bro, you start knowing, like you know I'm saying, the ins and outs of dating. You start knowing, like okay, this is okay. They're gonna ask me this, this. I'm saying, like you know the basic layout of how it's gonna go but it's someone who has a has a motive to get a certain, you know, distance in the relationship, for whatever reason yeah they can foresee. You know, I'm saying foresee certain certain how to manipulate exactly yeah, and they can, you know, maneuver around that.
Speaker 3:You know saying so. It's like as the person going into you have to be aware like okay, like, just because I'm getting the answers that I, that I seek, doesn't mean that they're the answers that are really there.
Speaker 1:The true answers.
Speaker 3:But I feel like it's what she said, bro.
Speaker 5:If I don't see any red flags or if I don't hear any red flags, I know it's a red flag, yeah.
Speaker 1:But that's not necessarily true, because nobody's perfect. No one is perfect.
Speaker 3:But you still have to catch them.
Speaker 5:I feel like people like that. They have signs that follow them as well.
Speaker 3:You have to be aware of it. You have to see the sign, though you know what I'm saying. If you can't see, it.
Speaker 5:you can't see it, but it's usually like a too good to be true kind of thing. You know that feeling. Yeah, you know that feeling. But if you can't prove it. Are you just going to say it's too good, I can't do this I can't do this, but you're not gonna say that, no, you're not gonna say to them, right, because you don't give them the upper hand, of course. Yeah, so you look for the songs?
Speaker 3:no, yeah, but like. But, bro, if you're not finding them and they're just proving you wrong every step? Of the way no, I'm obviously, bro, unlikely, right? Yeah, everyone, everyone makes a mistake, but I'm saying in in those cases, bro, you're not gonna see it bro. But all lies and all manipulation comes to a dead end at some point at some point, but it could be the point after seven years, when you're already with them. It could be that that's what happens it happens it happens, though.
Speaker 5:That's what I'm saying, bro but you gotta have that discernment though yeah, but no, like you said, man, no one's perfect, bro.
Speaker 3:You can discern up to a certain point. If you miss a certain thing, you miss it.
Speaker 5:I mean, and that's true, granted, if you feel that little, I feel like, if you feel off a little bit, for example, I think for a girl's point of view if you feel off, even just the slightest bit, don't, even Don't open up your legs. The slightest bit slide, you shouldn't open up your legs right, but.
Speaker 3:But what do? But what do?
Speaker 5:a lot do they just, they open their legs exactly they want to get pleasure, but they can't but they can't blame anybody if they have that little off feeling and they still do it.
Speaker 1:No, and then congratulations we have all these like dichotomies right, we have all these, like you know, like like polar opposite oh do it like don't do it.
Speaker 3:you know, I like like polar opposites. Oh, do it Like don't do it. You know what I'm saying? Fomo, we got that right. Fear of missing out. We got all that kind of shit going on.
Speaker 2:All that stuff is real. Yeah, man, all that stuff.
Speaker 3:What's that word? Sorry? And the next moment you're like, oh, it's your holdup, Like they're actually pretty cool and you'll convince yourself that it's.
Speaker 2:You'll find a reason to stay. You'll lie to yourself. You'll lie to yourself, but that's not.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's good, like I wouldn't. Right now, I'm in a too good to be true situation and I'm like where's the fucking, where's the flag? You know what I mean, are you?
Speaker 2:prepared for it, though, or you feel like you're just like, are you waiting? So do you do you, do you think you just, depending on what it is you're prepared for how to handle it, Like when it, when it comes at you, like you know you're expecting something, right?
Speaker 1:Well, comes at me, is going to come at me, but I, I don't think I am fully prepared for it because, like right now it's, we've been talking since, like october. We've been together since january. We're at the end of march, so I, I don't know, I feel like it's going to hit me like a ton of fucking bricks if it does happen?
Speaker 2:if it happens, it might not even happen. Yeah, there's a, there is a chance.
Speaker 1:So like that's why I'm keep like. I just keep on, keep it pushing, don't rock the boat, you know absolutely that's an old ass thing.
Speaker 2:What?
Speaker 1:is it she's?
Speaker 2:saying though, because if you, don't know.
Speaker 3:You know because if you don't know and everything's good, there's no reason.
Speaker 2:No, what you said, no what you said was good, but for some reason, right when you said that, bro, you ever seen you were the song don't rock the boat, baby. It started playing in my head right now. You ever seen um? You heard the song Don't Rock the Boat, baby. It started playing in my head right now. You ever seen um? You ever seen?
Speaker 5:uh, fuck, Don't Tip the Boat yeah you ever heard that song?
Speaker 2:It's an old-ass song, bro. Don't Rock the Boat you never heard it.
Speaker 5:If I hear it, I'll probably hear it, rock the Boat, baby, don't Tip the Boat over.
Speaker 2:It started meme in my heart. Yeah, he just said it. He knows what it means. What does it mean? Rock the boat, bro, when you rock the boat you don't make an issue if there isn't one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it's steady. You're in a steady current, you're not gonna grab the sides and do this.
Speaker 4:You know, there you go.
Speaker 2:That's shit.
Speaker 2:I wish I was playing for you guys right now. This is funny, man. Anyway, yeah, that's doing too much. Let's move on though. All right, man. So I think we're all pretty dead set on the monogamy portion of this right, so we're going to switch over to the non-monogamy and we're going to go right back to our guest here. The time has come. No, I'm just so what are your experiences with non-monogamy? You said you had that first right. Yes, so what are you willing to share with the audience and the panel about your experiences, your personal experiences, with non-monogamy?
Speaker 1:Like the pros and the cons.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pros and cons, yes I mean.
Speaker 1:So the pros is it's open and you can sleep with whomever like girls, guys, whatever you want couple swap. It was a pretty awesome experience. My con was um so my ex would always invite guys, so it would be like mainly guys, and it's a little weird you know for sure that's not what most of us here in this panel thought, right so, um, mind, there was a couple of girls too, but, um, I wrote.
Speaker 1:I never like really thought about it until this one time. Um, he invited a guy and then we go back to the room Like, uh, they were drunk as fuck and I remember sucking the friend's dick forever, Like it just wasn't getting hard and I'm like, oh, like, can you just fucking, like I'm over this. So then all of a sudden, the my ex goes down and starts sucking his dick and I was like, oh shit. Like I sat back on my heels and jaw open and I just watched, like for a second, like is this happening right now? Like what the fuck? So eventually the dick's hard and I'm like, hold on, y'all, both gay, like bro, what the fuck?
Speaker 2:wait a minute, hold on bro. Oh shit, bro. Yes, oh my god, talk about a twist man so what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 3:I have to go to slideshow.
Speaker 2:First, because this broke the fourth wall. Bro, 100 bro. What are you doing? That's what are you thinking, bro. What's in your mind right now?
Speaker 5:jesus christ, he's speechless, he doesn't know what to say well, you would hope you're not in the situation, because I mean you either got to be the friend or okay, straight up you're gay.
Speaker 2:There's no way around that like wait and the friend let him do it the
Speaker 1:friend, let him do it.
Speaker 2:The friend didn't stop him that's a wrong sound effect, bro. Oh my gosh. I wonder like that's terrible man Cause.
Speaker 5:Cause you know how, like you know how angels jot everything down. I wonder how, like, I wonder what they jot down in that moment, Like, like God, you're not gonna believe this.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, there's probably just a bunch of like scribble, scrabble, bro, they he said yeah, we're going to skip over that. He said on the easel. They're like they all stop writing. They look like it, bro. What the fuck. God, I can show you better than I can tell you you see the angel in the back shaking his head.
Speaker 4:Just the bottom of his head, Like bro, really plain.
Speaker 2:Bro, just walk out the room. He looks at his buddy. He's like, well, he lost her, she's gone. That's the end of that. That's a wrap. So in that moment, paige my gosh. What?
Speaker 1:were you thinking yeah, take us back to your.
Speaker 2:How did you feel in that situation?
Speaker 1:What happened? I sat back on my heels and I was like oh shit, like it was one of those like no fucking way, like this isn't happening.
Speaker 5:And then I'm like oh, no like y'all are both gay what made him think that was okay eventually, like he didn't even look at her for confirmation?
Speaker 1:literally I'm on my knees and I'm trying to get this dick hardened and it's just fucking like and then, all of a sudden, it was like, shoot like let me show you and I'm like what the fuck is?
Speaker 2:I know what he likes. It was like 89. Nobody likes, but it was so then, so in that moment like.
Speaker 1:I got off my heels and I like left and I went into the living room like I don't even know what the fuck happened after that. But then, like everything, I'm like, oh, he used to fondle his friends, like you know like play around.
Speaker 4:Like.
Speaker 5:Oh, but no, we don't play like that. She walks out and they keep going. You have sugar?
Speaker 1:in your tank and that the realization, damn yeah and then like when I did bring it up to him and I was like yo, you're gay. No, no, I'm not. I just like all sex things.
Speaker 2:But I'm like, no, no, you're a gay I think I speak for the men at this table when we say we're conflicted.
Speaker 1:Well, we just heard like none of I'm sure none of y'all would put a dick in your mouth so no, no so when? And there's nothing wrong with gay people, I love gay people yeah, and that's my partner nah that was, yeah, that was, that was, that was.
Speaker 2:That was enough for you to exit from that after that, right, of course that was my, that was my con, because I was like oh, man like this is a wrap so the pros like okay, so it's the freedom.
Speaker 1:Wow, the freedom was the pros to be honest. The cons is damn. You might end up with sugar in your tank.
Speaker 3:Or STD.
Speaker 2:That too, but the fact that it was already was sus to me when you said that he brought more guys into the Bedroom than women. I didn't even think about it yeah, it's like she's probably, like she's probably confused. Like well, don't you want to bring a fine ass girl? You see that you think would be dope for us to to check out together. Like yeah, yo, because, let's be honest, that every straight guy's dream would be two girls two girls.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bro, like laterally a straight guy would want two women, or maybe even three. You know what I'm saying, like if you can handle it, but it's like yo. Another who's like hey, I'm gonna invite my boy. Let's go, bro, you're gonna dive in this with me today, like no one's thinking that at least not with their, not with their girl no, not with their main girl, no.
Speaker 1:We had couple swaps too, but it was mainly guys. And and on top of it he had like he bought me a strap on to like fuck him with, and I'm like oh shit bro. But, and I'm oh shit.
Speaker 2:He played himself. I have to say it.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I'm so naive because I was like he's like, oh, it's the man's G-spot, it's the man's G-spot, but like Congratulations.
Speaker 2:You played yourself. Oh my God bro.
Speaker 1:So I'm thinking like, oh, like, this must be the man's G-spot, like I didn't know any better. Lo and behold.
Speaker 2:She's like no wonder I couldn't get you off, you fucking weirdo. You want me to play with your ass. Why are we doing this shit? Your little fruit loop, your little fruit cake. Yeah, again to all my gay viewers out there we have nothing against you guys. You guys can do what you gotta do. We're gonna get canceled after this episode. No, we're not.
Speaker 4:I love gay people.
Speaker 2:I know, of course, we're not shaming nobody either, so no, so no, you're just telling us about your experience, that's all yes, absolutely yeah, you know for sure.
Speaker 5:So you was hitting bro from the back, he was moaning and he was saying, yeah, you like that?
Speaker 1:huh yeah, what you actually? Yes, I had a strap on, you did yeah bro, look at his face.
Speaker 2:I never do this, but either yo this is new to us bro. What, oh my gosh, what the fuck Yo I swear.
Speaker 5:Man Damn.
Speaker 4:Wow you know what that reminds me of a saying man. What's the?
Speaker 2:saying I forgot exactly how it goes, but it says something like he's baffled, he's trying to gather himself. Go ahead, bro.
Speaker 5:I forgot. I'm trying to remember how the saying goes. But it says like, it says something. Like you know, the ocean is fun and deep, but it was saying, but it was saying but even though it's endless, should you go and venture and get lost? Or something like that, but it was basically saying like. He was basically saying like, I mean and you know everybody's different but it was basically saying like note your boundaries, like just because you can't go all the way out there doesn't mean should you don't mean that yeah because, because it's like.
Speaker 5:She said like and I and it's not the first time I've heard it somebody has said the guys you spotted, but I'm. But somebody told me that and I'm like well, just because something's edible, should you eat it? And they said yes, and I was like so you'd eat dog shit, it is edible correct well, yeah, you can, but you shouldn't eat it obviously yeah. So it's like yeah, just because you could you can yeah?
Speaker 5:no, absolutely I agree with that, that's true, but I mean, that's just, that's just me. Everybody got it. Hey, if you like it, I love it. Oh my gosh bro, yeah, anyway.
Speaker 2:So so my next question for you, miss page. Yeah, so, so it wasn't always open at first, right, what led what led to the? What led to the uh, the non-monogamous uh part of portion of the relationship?
Speaker 1:uh. So he cheated like numerous times and then I found out I think we were married for like five years, we already had our two kids and one day, um uh, he told me he like admitted all of it and I was like you, motherfucker. So then from that point on I was like I'm gonna cheat on you every chance that I fucking did wow mind you, he didn't know this.
Speaker 4:He'll probably know now, but so any chance that I got?
Speaker 1:I was. I was sucking and fucking. Like, mind you, I never got an std, but I was on a mission because, like I knew all his friends liked me, like I was going after co-workers like whomever, like I would have fucked his dad if he wasn't dead. That that's. I was like on.
Speaker 1:I told you, bro, I was, I was on a, a vengeance, you know. So then, um, we, we kept our marriage, like we had the kids we wanted. To mind you, I should have left. But we were like, okay, we're gonna just, we're gonna try and see where it goes. Um, eventually we opened it up, opened the relationship up, and um, it was opened up for like a year and then we're like, all right, it's time for a divorce. I dipped out, um, but during that year it was like free forfor-all, you know what I mean. Like go, do you go do this? Like do whatever you want. Oh, I'm out, don't ask no questions.
Speaker 5:like yeah, I couldn't, bro. I'm too.
Speaker 1:I'm too emotional for that I couldn't do that, bro, but even before that, like even before the cheating, like I remember dating him and I was fucking like 16.
Speaker 2:Like, uh, we had some threesomes with like girls guys and then when we got married, like and there was something spiteful you I remember you had told me about, but you mentioned you mentioned a friend of yours that was in your, your room, you know where you gave birth. Like she was where you gave birth. She was in the room with you guys. Oh, yes, yeah, so you told me about that.
Speaker 1:I was like bro, but I didn't find out until later, so I had my son and this girl was my best friend and it was also his best friend's old lady, so we were literally pregnant together. I remember helping her with her baby. She had colic. Then she was pregnant with her second baby and she was in the room with me when I had not my son, it was my daughter. I was having my daughter and she was in the room and I found out that he fucked her and I was like, are you fucking kidding me? But to top it off, his best friend like hit him up and was like, oh, you fucked my bitch. You had to pay her to fuck her. And I'm like you're paying bitches to fuck. And, mind you, she was a linebacker looking like big back, dorito, looking back, and I'm like that's like, that's what you wanted, so that that like but I was more hurt, not because I lost my husband, because I lost her, because she was, she was my best friend, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So that fucking sucked, but it's okay, because I fucked her dude too. Wow, yeah I told you I was on. I was on like four. I was coming from blood. Everybody could get it.
Speaker 2:Everybody can get it, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's, hey, that's. That's something, man, I'll tell you. Look see, so there's. Everybody has their, their versions of revenge, right?
Speaker 1:So I understand that you took yours that way, felt like it was necessary, right. You feel you needed to do that and to send your message in order, basically, to get across, right? I mean, I didn't even have to say anything, it was just for myself. Like I'm doing all this for myself, to know, like I went up to you, like I I never told my husband any of this, I was just like fuck it, like this is for me is there anything that you did that you feel like it was?
Speaker 2:it was a little too like you were.
Speaker 1:Maybe you spiteful like to the point where you're like, okay, maybe I shouldn't went, took it that far the whole thing was spiteful yeah, that's true, now I'm like calm, chill, cool collective, but like I wouldn't even think about doing that shit now, but like prior to fuck, I was like a demon, like I was on demon time damn you have any questions you want to ask page about that, sir what would you say?
Speaker 5:out of all your revenge and vengeance, what was the worst thing you think you did to him?
Speaker 1:yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 5:Uh, probably fucked his best friend damn and the best friend went through with it.
Speaker 2:That's great. That's, by the way. That is pretty the worst thing, because I mean he did that to you, though it was basically.
Speaker 1:It was a tit for tat type situation like, oh, an eye for an eye, I got you yeah, she went biblical with it yeah I've heard that she went old testament he said she went old testament with it.
Speaker 2:Because I mean, there's people that have gone to extents to do things where they've they've been with, been with somebody, and then they go back to their partner after the same day.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Is there something?
Speaker 1:like that. So oh, this right here, is the worst thing. So there was a bit of abuse in my marriage, right, and I remember I went and slept with this one dude and then I slept with the second. He nutted inside me. I'm fixed right, no fallopian tubes. Then I slept with a second dude like hours later, so I had two different like cums up in there and then I went home and this fool eats me out.
Speaker 4:Oh no.
Speaker 1:Yo. So, besides sleeping with his best friend, I think that was probably the worst thing that.
Speaker 2:I could have done. Oh, that takes the cake. Yeah, I'm glad I took a shot after that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, hey, you want me to fill you up bro.
Speaker 2:A slide till you need another shot. Yeah, okay, paige, you know what that? Definitely. He said one more oh my gosh, hey page. I mean as far as like being crazy enough to do something like that I give you.
Speaker 5:You do a thing like one of the boys yeah, I was.
Speaker 1:I was coming for the soul.
Speaker 2:We love you, page we don't look at you any differently. Just know that, okay, we love you. We don't look at you any differently. It's just, you know, you're crazy, you're bold, for that I'll tell, that's not easy to do.
Speaker 1:And the fact that he didn't even notice, like he must, like the taste to come, because this ain't your first time.
Speaker 2:Yo, I think he did. Did he look at you and be like baby? You taste good.
Speaker 1:He.
Speaker 4:He said I recognize that taste.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, that part, because you know he was already sus. So that's a good point. So that's a good point. He said he likes that taste. Yeah, so bro's like yo. I've done it plenty of times before, oh my.
Speaker 5:God, I got another question. Do you regret any of it?
Speaker 1:No, not a fuck. Well, I regret not leaving him sooner. I leaving him sooner, I should have left, I should have been gone. But then I was like fuck it. Like home mode activate, you know after that I'm not going back.
Speaker 2:I agree with you, bro. I honestly paid. You made the right move, girl. You got the fuck out of there she's like I should have left sooner yeah but I don't regret none of it like for
Speaker 5:some reason like I'd be. I think if I heard like any other female tell me stories like this, I'd judge them harshly. But because it's you or just because, like you, had a harsh background, I'm like damn, I kind of feel that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I kind of feel that I understand.
Speaker 5:It's like it's kind of like more like a legendary kind of thing, like damn, like that's something I'd ponder on my deathbed, like I really did that H.
Speaker 2:He just did that, bro. He just dropped the shells at the end, like that's a you know what checkmate that's crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's definitely that takes the cake for the craziest for sure. That's a fatality, bro, that is a fatality Bro.
Speaker 5:you know what I'm glad you said that, bro, and the fact that bro.
Speaker 3:Left right R2, left man.
Speaker 5:Bro, it was on a podcast, just watch it.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sure he's going to see Holy shit.
Speaker 1:I think he has social media.
Speaker 2:I don't really fuck with him. Yeah, I don't understand why you don't fuck with him. I get it. If you see this, though, man Fatality, understand why you don't fuck with him. I get it if you see this though, man fatality.
Speaker 4:There's no coming back from that one bro if you want to come on, we can have you on next right.
Speaker 2:You can tell your side of the story. Tell yours, give your side of the story. Did it taste good bro?
Speaker 5:oh, yeah, we're gonna for sure ask about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, man, we're gonna ask him why you thought that was okay. I mean, and the fact that he did that weird act with you in the in the right, it made you kind of wonder in that moment where it's like what the fuck made you think this would be okay.
Speaker 1:He's not going to answer that though, right, I can't believe he put a dick in your mouth. No, there was no warning.
Speaker 3:No, nothing you can explain that shit Like what you can't. No, you can't bro.
Speaker 2:I don't care. What kind of moment do you think you're in? How do you?
Speaker 1:suck a dick better than me. Oh what, Bro?
Speaker 2:that's what was going through my mind, but to be fair, he could say you know, I don't know if he practiced on a strap when he had it on. No, oh, okay. Or he might say some gay shit like I know what he likes my man baby, I know what he likes.
Speaker 5:Like ugh, because in his defense defense, you know, if the lights was off he could have said he thought it was you with the strap on oh no there was a light still on bruh. I tried to help him I believe Paige?
Speaker 3:I do too, but I just tried to.
Speaker 4:I just tried to help his story, but there's really no coming back from this he's done.
Speaker 2:Fatality, what's Ernie has said, bro, the freaking Mortal Kombat voice and all bro. Fatality, donezo, that's it. You get four. We're done. Now I feel bad for bro. I feel bad for bro, I do, I mean I don't, I don't either, bro's disgusting bro you just sit there.
Speaker 5:It must be, it must be a mental thing it has to be no, there's no doubt yeah, but of course, cause, yeah, cause I don't know what would mentally you wanna do?
Speaker 3:he made a cognitive decision to do that.
Speaker 5:Nah it sound. It sound like it was subconscious. He didn't think about it. Oh no, he thought about it he thought about that shit.
Speaker 1:I don't, he was an alcoholic so you can't even blame it on the liquor, because you always are drunk.
Speaker 3:Yeah so no, that just seems Absolutely not. It just seems too like deliberate.
Speaker 5:You know what I mean. Oh yeah, no Right, bro had to get on his knees first, it's hella deliberate bro.
Speaker 2:It's like, oh fuck bro. This is you know what I'm saying, Like why would you. I, You're doing extra. No facts, You're gay for sure. No, there's no doubt. There's no way to justify that, to make her give you a pass for that. No, you're gay, bro. You're fucking gay the fact that she said it. I love how Paige put it too, because, dude, she was sucking it and it stayed flaccid. Like you're gay, bro, you didn't like a female's mouth, Both of them mouth.
Speaker 2:Come on, bro, both of them. What? Yeah, because how you get inflated when he started doing it hard when you buy it, bro, he's gay too. Yeah, because think about okay. So yeah, you needed your homie to put his mouth on it for you to get hard like he said oh, this is new.
Speaker 1:You can see that it's a man sucking your dick.
Speaker 5:Oh, I can't bro he said he's throwing a softer he said.
Speaker 2:He said it's still the softer. Oh my gosh bro, yo bro congratulations, you played yourself, bro. That's no, I'm good.
Speaker 4:That's what I mean bro some things, some things are just not bro, he needs a mind reset.
Speaker 5:Bro, you could. You could probably go stand at the edge and look over like it, metaphorically speaking, like okay try this new try that new.
Speaker 3:But when you jump off like that's going too far. Basically, it's almost like you know. I didn't even need to hear all that.
Speaker 2:You know that's true, bro. No, no, no, that was a little. Yeah, that's actually.
Speaker 2:That's actually that's like he's actually convicted, you know, I mean yeah at that point because, like, how else do you do? I mean you, there's no way to justify it right. So obviously I mean you gotta admit it to yourself like I'm like what did he try to tell you? Like to try to convince you to keep, to try to keep you like, well, baby, really wasn't like that. I was just in the heat of the moment. No, you're fucking gay, bro. There's no heat of the moment, I'm sorry, no one's exactly. So you trying to cover it up that way is just gonna make you worse, like she's. Like that doesn't make it any better. So did it end immediately after?
Speaker 1:like you left immediately, right, did you just pack your shit and then come back, or no, because it's not that hard, like when you have kids in the mix, like I was working a piss pool I was working at a school district, working on my teacher's degree like it's crazy I had so much invested in this, so that happened. I want to say it was like summer, january, maybe like December or January, and then I didn't end up leaving until June. Yeah.
Speaker 5:Interesting, well as you know, and as open as you guys were to like you know, trying new people and stuff like that. She even said to herself, said herself, like there's still a boundary, yeah, like, because once he did that she was like oh yeah, that's it like that, like you crossed that boundary, yeah, so even then there's still boundaries that's just.
Speaker 3:You crossed the boundary.
Speaker 2:Oh, 100 bro look the fact that it was an open relationship right, so that that's it's okay to have. But you still there's boundaries, even within that, right. So it's okay to test the boundaries, but not test them like that.
Speaker 1:That's right, I'm sure you obviously agree. That was a bit funny. What I mean by test the boundaries. He's always drunk. I don't know how he is now, but like he was always drunk.
Speaker 2:But you know what I mean by that so what I mean by that is, like you know exactly. So what I mean by testing the boundaries, though, is like okay, you can fuck another girl and I'll fuck another guy. That's obviously for most of us. It might bother you to see a woman getting racked by somebody else right, or getting railed by somebody else. That is already kind of pushing it right, but but it's an exceptional push because you're getting, you're doing the same thing, you're great.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's the boundary exactly you're agreeing to that right.
Speaker 2:There's nothing gay about it. He's fucking another female. You're fucking another guy.
Speaker 1:There's nothing gay about it.
Speaker 2:That's what makes it okay If you guys are accepting that those boundaries right, but when you go on, just the same sex what the fuck?
Speaker 1:You're gay you crossed the border.
Speaker 2:You crossed the border now and now you breached our contract of understanding. Like what the fuck is this?
Speaker 1:you know right, you know so and you said and you guys are swap partners, so you know that was experience that you and I'm sure if he would have put another man's dick, like if we swap partners, they probably would have socked him out like imagine bro, it's because his friend allowed it.
Speaker 2:I like that. She's right, dude. That makes sense. So imagine a straight guy that was just was there for page. I was like hell yeah, I'm this girl, I'm here for her. He would have fought him. Bro, that's fighting on sight, that's like imagine bro imagine she stops you like oh, I don't know, let's try something different. What?
Speaker 3:the fuck are you doing? Well, he wouldn't even let him.
Speaker 5:Get that close to her.
Speaker 3:Exactly. I was he might look at Paige and be like alright Paige let's just try something different.
Speaker 5:Maybe I can turn you around, and then, bro goes in what the?
Speaker 2:fuck are you doing? You're jumping back immediately like, oh wait, bro, that's gonna get kicked out. I'm gonna have to fuck you up now. What is that? What are you just trying to do right now? Get out the room.
Speaker 5:We just put him on time out in the corner.
Speaker 2:Nah out the room he said you can go wait in the hallway. I'm going to continue this with her.
Speaker 4:But you got to get the fuck out. You got to go over there and take rocks.
Speaker 3:You can't even be a fucking cuck in this shit. You know what I'm saying. You can't even watch. I don't want you to watch.
Speaker 2:Nah, you get the fuck out All the way out, like in the hallway. Don't think about what you did Outside With to the non-monogamous you know relationship or what your experiences were. I mean, you pretty much icing on the cake there, already nailed it yeah you nailed it.
Speaker 2:I think you carried the episode you definitely did, paige, you know what I'm saying, but anyway, yeah, no, it was unapologetic. But now going over to Furious, what about you, sir? Have you ever been in anything similar to what Paige just shared with us? Did you ever find yourself with another woman where it was not monogamous and you guys had a free room to maybe even bring and introduce, have threesomes, anything along those sorts, or?
Speaker 3:just, I mean at the time, because I was in my early 20s, uh, I wouldn't say I didn't really ask about that. So I mean, I was in nominate, I was, I was not monogamous because I was dating multiple women, but I wasn't like, oh, let's have a threesome. I, for some reason I just didn't think of that shit. I don't know why. I mean, at that time too, I was very like hyper aware of like STDs and shit. So I'm always, I was always like getting checked and shit, you know so, but I was still messing around, you know. But I've never was like, oh, like, oh, like let me have this girl and this girl come together, like I probably could've done that shit, but I just never, you know, like never, did it understandable, so you could've done it one of those things.
Speaker 3:I didn't think about that. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. You know no facts for sure, but what was uh?
Speaker 2:no, but I was to coin off that. So the closest thing you had to, would you say, was just like I mean, I guess that doesn't really count though, like if you're not really official because of her situation, right, it was an actual relationship, but they allowed. They allowed it to take that route, almost to try to attempt to save it.
Speaker 1:Right, it was an official instead of cheating on each other fuck it, let's just.
Speaker 2:Let's just try this shit where we, you know, do things together and see if we can keep it or, uh, salvage the relationship you're basically saying like it was.
Speaker 3:What you're saying is that it was. It was officially non-monogamous so why?
Speaker 1:why it happened because we were just like fuck it, like if you want to cheat and I'm gonna cheat like we might as well open this bitch up.
Speaker 5:That's what you're saying, right like this is what's happening. We'll give it a go, just trying to make it work, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, but like, yeah, so like I didn't have. I didn't have an open relationship with him. I was, but I was dating multiple women. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Of course, but it wasn't like an open relationship with either.
Speaker 3:I mean, of course, I was playing him, so they're like he's cheating on me, one actually did. She was like oh, and because she that's my man?
Speaker 2:No, that's my man, because she only spoke.
Speaker 3:Spanish, right, like she only spoke Spanish and she was like oh, like you have novia, you know, like because that means girlfriend, yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 2:Man, you know, hey, you know what I just realized, bro. My shot glass. Is that mine or yours over there?
Speaker 1:That's yours, bro, oh shit, fuck.
Speaker 2:you've been drinking out of mine, bro, that's all right. You got no cooties, right.
Speaker 5:No, you're going to edit that out.
Speaker 2:You're the wrong man, I just fucked with you, bro. I hope you never did that. You're going to edit that out.
Speaker 3:What You're going to edit that out, what that part right there Should.
Speaker 2:I.
Speaker 3:Did you just ask him? Oh man.
Speaker 2:You can do whatever you want. I know what. I was just fucking with you, man, let's take another shot. Man, this has been, this has been a great episode you want some more man yeah, he needs a refill well, that's your second.
Speaker 5:Huh, yeah, that's your third, ryan, that's your third brother.
Speaker 2:You're ahead of the poll right now. It's still a little early, so you know yes, sir, for the books, for sure we might get flagged but oh well, it's part of the excitement, Thank you. You know, all the time is talk, and YouTube knows this by now too. We don't, we don't, we don't edit shit out. What do we say? Fellas, hashtag, leave it in, leave it in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, I like that. Now, man, what'd?
Speaker 2:you tell me and some girls, it's safe to shoot up the club. You know what I'm saying. So, hey man, push and pray method. We live by the push and pray method. The hashtag leave it in and shoot up the club and shoot up the club. Yeah, there you go she's ready to take hers though All right, let's do it, y'all ready, let's do this. Wow, he said wow.
Speaker 3:All right, yeah so. But yeah, I mean, are we still talking about like like pros and cons of it? Yeah, I'll say, the only kind of, or one of the kind about, uh, non-monogamy is that you're kind of like, I mean, if you're with multiple, multiple women or or partners, you're like spread almost like too thin, like you really can't connect with one because you're divided. You know like you're spending time with all these people and you, you know energies and all that stuff. So, and not only that, it gets addicting too because you have so much freedom Like you can go.
Speaker 2:you can come when you want, you can leave. It's unheard of. It's like yeah, and every man's like oh shit.
Speaker 3:I mean it's a there's no strings in in essence, you know, I mean in my opinion, no, yeah, so I'll say that's, that's one of the uh, what? One of the pros is the freedom, and there's that. And the cons is that, you know, you just get spread too thin you're spread too thin, you know?
Speaker 2:yeah, no, for sure you can't focus on one, because they're so because there's so many, yeah, there's so many, there's so many dynamic, different factors that are being introduced all the time.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. And especially when you know when you introduce sex and all that, like there's a lot of things that you know change Like sex is fucking powerful. It's really powerful. As much as people you know think it doesn't mean anything like that, shit's a really powerful thing, like that's why everyone's here You're all here because your parents fucked. So it has a very big, you know it holds a very big weight on it.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying yeah, no, for sure, you can't downplay it, it's life it creates life.
Speaker 3:Think about it. That's the ultimate thing, even when it okay, when it comes to cheating, when it comes to making a baby, when it comes to, you know, showing someone who's like the ultimate love of somebody, like it's usually sex, yeah, that connects you. That, yeah, and this is crazy. Like it's, like it's it's, it's designed like that you know like god knew what he was doing.
Speaker 3:Yes, he did. Designing a vagina and designing a penis like he's new. You know, I'm saying like he just made it. It's just, it's like you, because you can't, as a man, you cannot recreate that and you can't recreate that without a woman. No, no, you can't as a woman you, you can't, you can't recreate that without a man no, you can, you can't.
Speaker 2:No, you can't. We're not going to get too much into it because that's a taboo topic, but you can't reproduce without one man and one woman. That's just a scientific fact. You know what I'm saying. If your viewers or audio listeners out there and viewers that are a big offense to that, sorry, but that's just a scientific fucking truth. You know what I mean, whether you believe in God or not.
Speaker 5:Right, well, don't say scientific, because they might change that I was a surrogate for a gay couple.
Speaker 1:I had twins five years ago, a boy and a girl. It was one of each of their babies, but it took me To make it happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to make it happen, so it's like yo resolute. There's no other option around it Like it's absolute. That's just the way it is. You know, don't hate, appreciate Yep, yep, 100%. And then I was going to ask you, so that's all you had to add to that, right, you don't have anything else. You wanted to add that. But the situation of, you know, being in a non-monogamous situation, like you know, with a woman and where you guys had an agreement to be.
Speaker 5:No, no, no, I've never he said no I've never, I've never desired a threesome or like to be in two relationships at the same time. I I think the only thing that I've done that's closest to that. Damn that shit is hidden I think, the only thing that I've done that's closest to that is I was single, but I was dibbing and dabbing over here.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know my story.
Speaker 5:They met up at my house, type of thing.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, you want to share that or not. Go ahead, tell them what's up.
Speaker 5:I was getting out of one relationship. I can't confirm or deny whether I was completely out already or not, but I thought I was so um.
Speaker 2:So that you know I had a different understanding of what over men apparently right, yeah, right, I mean, but that's why, that's why, that's why I didn't.
Speaker 5:I didn't really understand the concept of a boyfriend and girlfriend, because it's like I love you, I just can't be with you, I don't want to be with you, whatever the case may be. So I thought we was broken up. So you, I don't want to be with you, whatever the case may be. So I thought we was broken up. So, you know, I didn't talk to her for like three, four days. And then I was talking to this other chick already and you know it was, it was the, it was the honeymoon phase or whatever. She had came to my house, you know, um, and then we went for a little walk around my neighborhood. It was like sunset and, um, you know, I was, I was at the, uh, I was at the park for a little bit. The park is like down the street from my house and I think I think, uh, I don't know. It's weird with, uh, boyfriend and girlfriends, because you never know when you're completely like, detached from that person and what the terms of conditions are.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:When it's like quote unquote bringing up. So even though we weren't together, we still had each other's location kind of thing, so we could see where each other's at, and damn y'all trying to fuck me up you calling out today sir.
Speaker 4:You know, the crazy thing is, bro, I might call out with you.
Speaker 5:I'm just kidding, I could call hey, don't influence me right now, it's a Tuesday. You're going to work. You're going to work, bro, drink some fucking water.
Speaker 1:Eat some rice, you'll be fine. You call out on like a Friday or a Saturday.
Speaker 2:You don't call out on a Tuesday. She's making me get up. Thank you for holding me accountable.
Speaker 5:You're welcome, all right. So then we was chilling at the park for a little bit, and the sunset turned into dark right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Shit sorry. So then I started heading home.
Speaker 5:She parked her car at my house and then we started heading back to my house and tell me why. You know, we're just talking chopping it up, this, that, that, and then my house is like a straight away, like maybe like a whole block just straight away, and then it's a corner house. So you can, you can see it on the corner, just walking straight down, and you know what it look like.
Speaker 5:Yep, and then uh yeah, so we, we, you know everything is perfect. We're just like, you know it's quiet, we're just walking, talking, she's talking, she's explaining something, and then, um, I don't know why, I think I had turned off my location because I'm like what would be the odds of her just randomly popping up, since I wasn't talking to her for like four days straight?
Speaker 2:You wouldn't think she'd be crazy enough to show up.
Speaker 5:yeah, so then, right. So then you know, we're walking back towards my house and tell me why, like I just see a car. It was a little dark so I couldn't tell what the car was, so I was like, okay, there's a car in front of my house and I'm still listening to her talk, but I'm already my mom has already got it.
Speaker 2:My boy's like wait a minute. Oh shit, the heart dropped when you realized. And then I'm like I'm like what I?
Speaker 5:But I turned it off because I knew she was going to pop up, but then so then I got a little closer and then I see somebody standing at my front door.
Speaker 2:She got out of the car. She was waiting for the door. Yeah, she was waiting at the door, did you get snatched up.
Speaker 5:Who me? Yeah, oh, no, I'm too big to get snatched up. Oh, okay, okay. So then I get a little closer and then I'm like and then she's still talking. At this point I'm like, yeah, you need to shut up right about now. Like it's crazy, because I've seen it in movies but I didn't know it was a real thing. Like I went from like hearing english to hearing, like I like my mind and I just hear one and then like, it's because I scoped.
Speaker 5:And then the same time I seen her, she seen me. So we was locked in and she already seen who I'm walking with. And she's like, oh, that's that bitch from the hospital. And then my mind told me we was like, yeah, bro, we don't know what we're going to do, but I know, whatever we do, we're going to remember this forever. But I know, whatever we do, we're going to remember this forever. Here we go, and then I'm just like, and then we walking up, and then I'm like, all right, fuck it, we go. Then this is this one for the books. And then I told her I looked over, I said, hey, this is, you know, this is my ex. You know, just go straight to your car. And then I hit you up. She probably want to. You know, I had to lie a little bit. I was like she probably want to talk about getting back together or something like that.
Speaker 1:So then I quickly hugged her, got her in the car.
Speaker 4:And then I told her.
Speaker 5:I'll hit you up later. And then she did. And then she was like, oh, who's that? And then I was like, oh, don't worry about who that is, you need to worry about what we got going on and then I kind of like from there I just kind of like steer to the redirected situation, yeah so, but I mean as far as like, as far as like no threesomes. But I like I was like one week I was over here and then one week I was over there, kind of thing or like back one day here, then three days later here's and so, but never like.
Speaker 5:But it's kind of messed up because and I take responsibility for that because she knew, I believe my ex knew what was going on, but I don't think she wanted to call it out until she actually did and then, confirm it?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, but that's at least for me.
Speaker 5:That's where I get confused and that's why I say that's at least for me. That's where I get confused and that's why I say. That's why I say there's no. For me there's no pros, only cons. Because for me, when it comes to the aspect of women, I know, I know, whatever I do, it's just because I'm trying to fill a void of my father walking out of my life at a young age. So I try to compensate for, I try to make up for that love and I just deeper, yeah, yeah. So I try to compensate for, like, I try to make up for that love, just deeper, yeah.
Speaker 1:You're looking for it. Any way you can get it.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so I like in that sense, I try, like, not to like. I'm like oh, like you know, don't become a womanizer or don't become like a I forgot what the other word is but it's kind of like the same thing. I'm like you can't do that, so then, like that's why I'm kind of tougher.
Speaker 1:That's why.
Speaker 5:I'm kind of tougher on myself why I said like, oh, like it's either marriage or like it's kind of nothing.
Speaker 1:Because I hold myself to. That type of accountability you should hold yourself accountable.
Speaker 5:Yeah, because at the same time, you know, on the other side of the token, I'm like, you know I, you know I respect the women that I like share those experience with. So it's like I don't, I don't want to, you know.
Speaker 4:I don't want to hurt them.
Speaker 5:Like I don't want my feelings to be hurt, but I also don't want your feelings to be hurt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you have to worry about your happiness. At the end of the day, nobody gives a fuck about your happiness. So like, don't depend on your happiness with other women because they it ain't it. You have to make yourself happy. You can't look for it in other women or relationships.
Speaker 5:But that's the thing, yeah, that's the thing, like. So that's why I was like you know, I kind of I mean, you know, but I kind of like, I kind of used to be like you know, women, women, women.
Speaker 2:But I kind of like you know, know, I see, like the more I do that, the more I make things worse you become a pimp. No, the more you become a pimp.
Speaker 5:But yeah, no, and then I hold myself. You know like I always keep in the back of my head, like you know. You know what god expects of you okay so it's like, that's why. That's why, like, I just try to hit my standard high okay, but so you know better, you can't be no, I know, of course I know, but but hold on wait. He's still human though. No, no, no, no no I don't want to. I don't want you to get the wrong idea. I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't have a million women or anything, but it's just like every time one does pop up he's a piece of change or two, and you know I don't mess with a lot of women, but every time it does come up, it's just like as soon as it's he's
Speaker 4:like, tell us, tell us how you he's like you, slay him bro now I now I just see that.
Speaker 5:I just see you know, just see, you know they're beautiful, but I he's got the looks to shoot right now. Don't give me that look.
Speaker 4:I see like.
Speaker 5:I see, like you know, the more beautiful they are, the more crazy they tend to be.
Speaker 1:I hate to say it like that.
Speaker 4:You're getting it tend to be uh, I hate to say it like that you're getting it started though I hate to say it like that that's kind of true, though, but but it's like now.
Speaker 5:I'm just trying to learn how to like condition myself like I cry jokes with him like out of that yeah I'm about to you know there's a pretty girl right here, let me. But but in reality you know, I know, I, I, I couldn't tame myself. In reality, you know, I know I contain myself.
Speaker 4:In reality he does that for the most part
Speaker 5:for the most part yo, I behave myself, yeah, because I know Jesus Christ is watching but, is that is that only because he's watching hell?
Speaker 3:yeah, so then that's like is it genuine? Get it started, bro. Is it genuine then? Yeah, but you're, you're still living your life. It's why it's genuine.
Speaker 5:Get it started, bro. Is it genuine then? Yeah, but you're, you're supposed to live your life. It's like he said. It's like he said.
Speaker 2:Bro, it's like he said earlier Don't follow me in this shit, listen, don't follow me in this shit.
Speaker 4:I am a sinner.
Speaker 5:Listen, bro, Bro listen, like he said. Like he said hey bro, you say earlier, everybody looks out of respect, you don't?
Speaker 3:say nothing. Is that what he?
Speaker 1:said yes, that's valid too bro, it gotta be from the heart right, so that's valid.
Speaker 5:I can see that too, it's a catch-22. For me it's a catch-22.
Speaker 2:God is still working on me.
Speaker 5:That's my excuse.
Speaker 2:We have fun we have fun. We're all sinners here. Right, we are all sinners. Yeah, we are, we are. No one here is better than the other one. Honestly, we've all guilt-treated. We're all equal, yep.
Speaker 3:We all. Some of us are going to have more fun on our path. Some of us are just not going to have more fun.
Speaker 2:That's true, bro.
Speaker 5:He said some of us is going off the far end. Some of us is crossing the borders, others is just staying on the other side of the border.
Speaker 3:We look at it, man Bro, you're only here once, man. It's true. Life is what you make it. It is Regrets, and all you know what.
Speaker 1:I bro, you only hear once man, and it's true life is what you make it it is regrets, and all you know what I'm saying it's one of those people, I don't think you should have any regrets though like I agree this is why everything happens for a reason. So this is why, okay, no, no. Everything happens for a reason. Like people die, people get married, people divorce, like everything that's true for a reason.
Speaker 4:That's true there, you there's. There's a reason for everything so you shouldn't have regrets, just like damn that sucks.
Speaker 1:I shouldn't have done that but I'm over it, like you build a bridge and you get over it like everything's gonna be okay at the end of the day.
Speaker 3:I agree to add to that. You know, I mean I mean uh regret doesn't. I mean regret is only regret, you know. It's a reminder that, hey, I should.
Speaker 3:I should have did better that part saying no so I'm not saying that it's a I mean, it's a necessary thing, just like fear. Even though as as useless as people think fear is, fear is a very useful type of thing no, for sure so it's like it's all there for a reason. Just like you said, everything happens for for a reason you know. So regret. It's like it's just a reminder, like okay, like don't don't do the same mistake if you don't want this result.
Speaker 2:You know that's what you want to say something I can tell you. No, you want to say something, all right, we're gonna take a shot first with your chest. Say with your chest, bro all right, come on bro.
Speaker 5:Well, see, the thing is is like and I don't know, I just I just be tripping because I hold, I just hold God at the forefront. I just don't want to do like nothing stupid. And then you know, die in that sin per se. I understand, regret it. Well, no, not regret it. Like you, die in that sin and then, God was like bro, what was that last thing you was doing?
Speaker 1:good, but what was that last thing you did? Now you going to hell. I get it. I'd regret it, though at that point I'd be like, damn, I'm fucked, damn my bad, but you have all this time to like, you're a sinner so you can repent for your sins but what you're supposed to do is get better. You know what I mean like you can't just be like oh, I'm with Maria and I'm gonna go over here and fuck Felicia every night and just Felicia.
Speaker 5:Felicia and I'm going to pray to God and be like oh no, you're right, you know.
Speaker 1:Please, god forgive me.
Speaker 2:And you know you're going to do it again Because you didn't mean it. Yeah, you're not for real.
Speaker 1:Like be for real.
Speaker 3:Faith without works is dead, basically right. Yeah, yeah. You got to be true about that faithfully. I heard somebody. No, that's true. Yeah, I heard somebody, bro, I heard somebody messed up bro, somebody messed up.
Speaker 5:I was listening to two people talking Somebody messed up, uh-oh. And the dude said why you not gonna repent? And he said well, I'm gonna repent for it if I'm gonna do it again. Oh shit, oh, he didn't mean it like he meant it.
Speaker 2:He meant that shit yeah.
Speaker 5:No, but he's keeping it real.
Speaker 2:He was like I want to stop, but I don't know how. No, but he's keeping it real. Yeah, I'm not going to you have to pray though. Like, you know how to stop Like pray, pray, pray.
Speaker 1:Help me.
Speaker 4:But for some others for some it's fun.
Speaker 2:For in that cycle they are stuck in that cycle.
Speaker 3:No, I agree. At the end of the day it's a choice. It's a deliberate choice. People are not slaves to their desires, don't get me wrong but that's what addiction is no, I'm saying, desires are tempting.
Speaker 3:But even if you're addicted, you are the ultimate decider in whether you take it or not. Whether your body hurts or aches or not, you can be like, nah, I'm not gonna take it. As much as it hurts, as much as much agony as you're in you, you have the final say. That's how powerful we are. But people are fucking lazy but it's easier said than done. No greed, sloth, sloth, uh-huh, pride, yeah, yeah, risk, yeah, covetousness I think, there's some people struggle though.
Speaker 5:Yeah, people struggle, they do, but at the end of the day, it's on the individual.
Speaker 3:It is.
Speaker 2:It is your circumstance is secondary.
Speaker 3:You are the primary agency in your destiny.
Speaker 1:In your journey in life, like this is all you, it's your life. You decide how it goes, what you make of it, what you do with it, but sometimes would you guys agree?
Speaker 5:sometimes it takes like Everything in you. I mean yeah, that way.
Speaker 3:Or it takes a turn, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5:I think I'm under the impression some things you just can't shake, though Nah, it's going to happen to you, you just got to fucking learn Like damn, I got a knife in my back, let me keep it pushing.
Speaker 2:I got to keep going, for sure.
Speaker 4:And it sucks. You got to find a way to get over it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you have all these traumas. So you have traumas in life and you can either Let them build you up, so you can either learn from it or run from it, you know you can make it wiser or you can become wiser okay thanos, yeah, okay thanos become wiser or let it um say thanos, let me get in a glove, let me get in a gauntlet.
Speaker 1:You're the gauntlet real quick, the stones real quick or you, you let it hinder you, but I I don't know like I. I I love life, so like I gotta do he's about to go get the glove.
Speaker 4:He's about to go get the glove. Oh, there's a glove.
Speaker 5:Okay, so, metaphorically speaking, hip replacement. Your hip got messed up. Get a little hip replacement, artificial.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, now you're cyber Fuck. Yeah, sometimes you still got that little.
Speaker 5:No well, yeah, yeah, hell, yeah. You got that little, you got that little metal plate. I got kids man, he is the kid alright, man, let me get a billion this is heavy duty, this is legit you got Thanos with us. You gonna have trouble naming this episode.
Speaker 2:I'm around the corner, like you better chill, I'm going to snap you out of existence. I'm over there, you better chill and listen to me Before I snap you out of existence. But can you snap with it? You can, oh, like so. So it's a middle. So how do you snap With your middle finger? Right, so she's my hand's probably too big for that shit? No, you can do it my hand's pretty big bro.
Speaker 3:It's not going in, oh wow.
Speaker 2:There we go.
Speaker 4:He needs a magnum, need a magnum my boy oh, you got it in.
Speaker 2:Oh, it works. You got it in, oh yeah, so now just use two.
Speaker 1:Yeah, You're figuring it out. Make it works.
Speaker 5:Oh, yeah, so now just these two. Yeah, you're figuring it out. Make that the pin.
Speaker 3:Make that the pin. Yeah, hold up. How do I snap it?
Speaker 2:I got that shit from Disneyland man. So, yeah, you got to do the middle finger and you'll hear it pop. Watch, there you go. Watch, hold those two again. There you go. That was a snap. You heard it. Oh, it was. What do you? Let me see, I'll show you. It's kind of like alright. So the snap, from what I understood when I read the little thing, was you gotta do the middle finger and the. So, or is it these two?
Speaker 5:wait a minute you broke it, man.
Speaker 1:I heard it, though my bad he told you he had big fingers.
Speaker 5:I heard it though, man, I heard it, though my bad. He told you he had big fingers. Fuck bro. No, no, I heard it though.
Speaker 2:I heard it. Yeah, I heard it. That's right here. Watch this here at least two. You hear it. That's a snap, alright, it's just dying, actually, the battery's dying, the battery's dying, okay. So, yeah, that's that, we can put the gauntlet. We'll put that over.
Speaker 3:For some reason, bro, I thought that my penis actually went into the thing, but it's just a little pulleys on it. I'm all trying to fucking jab my hand in there and shit yeah bro, it's just funny, man.
Speaker 2:you know what? Hey, you know what. This turned interesting real fast, though she just snapped people out of existence right now. You know what I'm saying? No, and Paige came real with us, man. But anyway, man. So this, this is a great conversation y'all. Thank you, bro. You can hold on to it if you want.
Speaker 5:You can hold on to it.
Speaker 2:if you want, put it on.
Speaker 5:You should have used this when they did that gay stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, all right, man, anyway, man All right.
Speaker 5:Undone. Anything you want to add to that, sir, before we wrap this episode Nah, undone, he said, undone undone so you guys think, like when it comes to those traumas, like we were talking about that cause, like I was listening to a pastor say, like that whole forgive and forget thing, that's not even biblical, that's not even possible what to forgive and forget yeah. I mean, it depends on what the trauma is you can forgive, but you'll probably never forget.
Speaker 3:It depends on what it is forgive, but you're probably never it depends on what it is if it's, if it's severe enough to where you're like bro, I'm never gonna forget.
Speaker 1:It's severe enough, like if it's enough to say like this is my trauma yeah yes, but like, my thing is, if you're willing to forgive, yes, you're gonna remember it. But like, forgiveness is a whole different entity. Like, yeah, you're never gonna bring it up, yeah, you can't like even though you remember, yeah, you can't, even though you remember, even though you remember it like damn that sucks. It's in the back of your head.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you cannot bring it up but you have all these women and you have all these men that bring it up like oh my god, you did this rub it in, but like no, you're supposed to forgive them yeah, that's not forgiveness what you're doing? You're bringing it up, you're not forgiving anyone like. You need to get over that shit.
Speaker 5:That's a grudge exactly but that's not to say you can't feel like ouch anymore.
Speaker 1:Right, like dang they're really, but then, but then, yeah, but you gotta get over that shit you're not over it, you gotta get the fuck over it. Like damn, shit happens, but everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 1:So essentially, like you're living in this, they don't give a fuck, they're still getting on with their life exactly they did this and they're like, oh well, I'm living my best life and you're over here like, oh, that hurt, like I'm still not over it after two years. But you gotta build a bridge and you gotta get over it. Like, whatever the fuck it. Like I've been through some shit in my time and I'm just like fuck it. You know, like let me keep it pushing, whether, like I have to steer this way, I gotta go this way on my journey, like I'm gonna get the fuck through.
Speaker 3:It's almost as if, like you, know, in those days, like you know, if you're dwelling on shit, it's like you're asking permission to be in pain, you're hurting yourself. At the end of it, you're giving yourself a reason to, when it's like, at the end of the day, you're the author of your story. You know what I'm saying. Thanks, fucking. Just turn the page. Fucking. New chapter, that's it. That's the hard part getting over this shit, because the consequences are so real.
Speaker 1:Your trauma is your dad right he left. So you know real your trauma is your dad right, he left early. Yeah, man, fucking, make the most of it. Like damn dad. Look at me now you know what I mean. Like watch this watch this I'm on this podcast. Watch me do this. I'm doing this at work. I have this as my doing all without him.
Speaker 5:Yeah, bro, yeah like I don't even need you the thing is is, like you know, I don't, I think, I don't even think of him in the aspect of like you want oh like I need my daddy in my life.
Speaker 5:Like like, no, I'm grown like, if anything, I'm ready to have my own kids, right. But the thing is is like I think it it breaks the natural order and just for that reason alone like you know, it's just, it's just things that like from the past that we're talking about that, like you know, that little kid is still hurting. Yeah, in a sense like now. Like now I'm okay, like I'm. What do I need from him? I'm a grown-ass man, I make my own money, but it's just like things back there there's a part of you that I couldn't deal with.
Speaker 3:That would. That would have benefited from from his presence. Yeah, and you would have been different now, and it's just, it's just something missing there that you like?
Speaker 5:how do you pick?
Speaker 3:That's what it is. I know exactly what you're talking about, because I've been through the same shit.
Speaker 5:And that's common in the black community. That's like I don't even want to say that's every other black person. That's probably like every black person.
Speaker 2:He said every other black person. It's not.
Speaker 5:It's more, it is it's life, I know for sure that's life, yeah. But you gotta wear that shit like a badge of honor, man yeah but you, just you learn from that, though. Like damn daddy wasn't there.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna be there for my kids.
Speaker 5:And that's how my brother took it.
Speaker 1:That's exactly, but me Okay well, not yet, but when you do have them kids, you're going to be there for them kids. Oh, you already know, Exactly because your daddy wasn't there for you, so you're learning from that. You know, like that's what you're going to take, that's what you're going to benefit from that. Because all these other dads are like peace, like fuck all them kids. You know what not to do, yeah he's going to be there for that baby.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Yep To add to that no matter how crazy his lady is, he's going to be there.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know them, but I'm just saying, oh yeah, for sure, yeah, to add to that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Just, you know what I'm saying, like trying, um, when I had my kids, like actually I've really thought about this shit going through. You know like what I went through and I forgive my dad, like, like you know, you know, like, face to face, I was like, hey, like I understand like what you went through. I understand you had to do what you had to do. It's just not easy, man.
Speaker 3:You, you can only serve two, you can only serve one master yeah, and so it's like, when it comes down to like, like survival, it's like, okay, you can serve your family, but you're gonna lose out on this, or you can serve this, but you're gonna lose on this. You gotta make a choice. There's no, yeah, there's a balancing act, but you're still losing and gaining on both sides. You know what I'm? Saying yeah, no effects as long as you're willing to juggle that you, you can probably do that. You know what I'm saying, but most people choose one or the other, yeah you know, what I'm saying, saying it's like but,
Speaker 3:I think like you know, once you have your, once you have your little ones, you're going to understand fully like, and it's going to it's going to bring it full circle.
Speaker 4:It'll make sense yeah, it'll connect, for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah you know, but you know even, even so like I, you don't know, ill wishes.
Speaker 5:You know I had some anger issues, like as a teenager, towards yeah, that's teenager though, yeah yeah, you know I had that little. You know I hate you phase, but like now it was just like hey, bro, like I just want, when you die, to go to heaven. I told you everything is just like religious space for me like I texted him happy birthday. I mean no reply, but it's like damn, yeah, that shit don't make sense to me.
Speaker 2:That's not even hard to do, bro. That doesn't even take any effort. That takes a little. That's the lightest amount of effort ever like. Yeah, sorry, bro the only thing.
Speaker 3:Well, the only thing I'll say is just is like, if there's no connection. That's why, you know, I'm saying that's a big reason why, because it's like, because when you don't have like, yeah, but even then, though, it's kind of like you know it's not right like I'm a grown-ass man you're a grown-ass man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not saying it's right's right.
Speaker 3:But I'm saying okay, just like, okay, just like where we work, or whatever right.
Speaker 1:He's making sense.
Speaker 3:You know Some people okay okay, you give a fist bump to who you're cool with, but you give a hug to who you're really connected with, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's a difference you know, who I'm talking
Speaker 2:about yeah you'll be like you get a head nod, I run his ass over before I fist bump him shit.
Speaker 3:It's the connection, though it's the connection.
Speaker 2:I know what you mean.
Speaker 3:It's, it's your vibe you know of course I'm saying like we all fist bump each other every once in a while, but it's like you know then you get a hug I'm saying but it's different, you know. So I think, like with that it's like it's you know. It's your whole, the combination of you guys's. You know experiences. It's your whole, the combination of you guys is you know experiences together. Up until now, you know what I'm saying Cause I go through the same shit, the same shit where I'm like damn, like how can you not say but I think about it.
Speaker 3:I'm like we just don't have that connection. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because with the, with the other siblings, is when was the last time you talked to your dad, though Like on like we're good terms yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:I couldn't even tell you.
Speaker 1:See, I wouldn't even wish him a, I couldn't even tell you, so you're doing your due diligence by like wishing him a happy birthday. I see why you did it though, yeah. But don't get hurt when there is no reply. Of course not.
Speaker 3:But my mom be like oh, did your mama because that's weird, because that's your mom, I'm gonna fight you but it's your mama though, bro, he think about it regardless, this is his son, no I, I, I agree with you, but I'm saying the reason why he he probably replied his mom he's been with he made his him with with his mom. So it's a different. I'm not saying, I'm not justifying it.
Speaker 1:You see a different connection that's his dad, yeah that's the only dad he's ever gonna have you know what I mean, like you have one mom, you have one dad. These motherfuckers can go and breed and multiply and have all these other like mom and dads that they're with, but like I'm your son, yeah, text me back, motherfucker you should do that, you should be in, in communication with him, but for whatever reason, he's not you know what and I don't want to say in his defense, but I think he lost his parents when he was five I don't.
Speaker 2:But even even with, exactly even with fucked up trauma like that, you still don't treat your kids.
Speaker 1:You don't you fucking build a bridge and you get over it? But here's the thing it's all about mindset. Right, you have to be stronger than your mindset because, like you have all these people on depression, they're on all these medications. They're weak, their mindset is weak because they need all these pharmaceuticals. They need pharma to help them out. Yeah, and at the end of the day, like that is, um, the reality of these days, that's that's most of the people, because they can't. They're going through depression, they have anxiety, they can't battle their ADHD. They need pharmaceuticals to assist them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because their mindset is weak. So that could be what's going on. Because daddy has a weak mindset, you can't text the son back.
Speaker 5:It could be, but I mean, I don't know. This is all too familiar for the black community. This is just what's been going on for like since forever, Unfortunately, but again I don't know.
Speaker 2:This is this is all too like familiar for the black community. Like this is just what's been going on for. Like unfortunately.
Speaker 3:But again, it doesn't make it right. Though it's a, it's a, it's a lot. The issue is a lot deeper than you know than what we're talking about.
Speaker 2:It goes a lot deeper. No, for sure, we'll get.
Speaker 1:I mean, I won't be involved in that, obviously, but yeah, we'll make.
Speaker 2:We'll make that a topic. You know, I appreciate, we appreciate that for sure. We'll definitely make sure that that is a topic in the future though, because, like you said, it's something we do, we should dive into. I'm glad you'd be here for it, as far as you know, watching it and being a part of it so it's just you know we'll
Speaker 5:dive into. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I know, for the sake of time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for the sake of time, bro, and the episode itself. I don't want it to be veered off too far from the original premise that was still on it was no, it was. It had to do with your trauma. That kind of led to some of your actions. But we're still talking. Well, because my parents were, they weren't married.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's monogamy, right, that's non-monogamous.
Speaker 2:Non-monogamous.
Speaker 4:That's non-monogamous.
Speaker 2:So hey, man, it ties in though.
Speaker 2:Don't worry, we're going to hashtag, leave it in. We're going to hashtag, leave it in, don't worry, we're not cutting that out. All right guys. And on that note, we're going to take a shot before. Alright, alright, y'all. So before we wrap the episode, I'm gonna go ahead and give the mic over to pass it over to Miss Paige. Is there anything you want to leave the listeners and viewers with before we head out of here? Anything you want to tell them? Leave them with a piece of you for them to digest and take with them on their way. She's like I like how she's like. I don't I like. I like how she's like. No, she said she's like are you about to say some deep shit, but I mean like mic drop I hope you guys follow and you listen yeah timeless talk appreciate that thing is coming out soon for.
Speaker 5:Timeless Empire, please buy and she said vengeance belongs to the Lord yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2:Okay, thank you, paige. You know what? Thank you for being here with us. Thank you for inviting me thank you for coming have you had back in the future.
Speaker 1:I mean, I have tons of stories, so I would have to say this was the wildest it was.
Speaker 5:It was the wildest and most open. I hear that all the time. Episode.
Speaker 1:But I'm in, so in person, I'm an open book.
Speaker 2:She is dude, I'm telling you I just, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 3:Like oh, that's why I love and respect about her.
Speaker 2:What do you always tell me, unapologetically me, unapologetically her?
Speaker 1:yeah, but I am Because it's your story?
Speaker 4:You don't got to apologize for your story.
Speaker 3:And I don't, that's good.
Speaker 1:So it's, I don't know.
Speaker 3:You're very transparent too.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, which is good.
Speaker 2:At least you know what page. She's going to give you a buck a hundred with what she has. Yeah, that's it. Experience, you know. Yeah, you know my side. Murkiness, no, clear as day. Yeah, I respect it. That's cool. So you know one more for you. Thank you again, appreciate you. You know what I'm saying. We do. There's, uh, really cold standing ovations, you know, yeah. So what about you, mr furious, passing it over to you?
Speaker 3:final tidbit final tidbit um shit, tidbit, shit. Life is short. You know, cherish, what you got while you got it, it may not be the tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Amen to that. Cherish it while you got it. Love on those that you have around you while you have them. Amen to that. Oh yeah, good job, sir. Thank you, appreciate that.
Speaker 5:Yeah, what about you, mr Slideshow. I would say just take people serious, don't play with people's hearts. Be intentional with everything that you do intentional, intentional and genuine. So you know, don't have no excuse. If you do play with somebody's heart, I would recommend that you don't, but if you do, just let them know what it is. From the jump.
Speaker 2:At least that's what they know, and they can't say you didn't, it's better to keep it honest, man, the lie has a dead end at some point.
Speaker 5:At the end of that, keep it a buck.
Speaker 1:There's always a truth to the lie At the end of that.
Speaker 2:Appreciate that, sir Passing the flowers out. You know what I'm saying. But uh, yeah, man, you know you guys. You know this has been timeless talk, man, you guys know where to find us. You know what I'm saying. We appreciate all the viewers and all the listeners that come in every week. You know new episodes post on every Friday. We have one Friday, we have this Friday coming up and then we're done for a couple months. We're going to take a little break. Yeah, season four. It took a while to knock it out, fellas, but we did it.
Speaker 5:16 episodes man, this is the longest one, bro. Yeah, man Pause Because this episode is all over. I felt like the need to say pause when I said it. It's a long season. Why?
Speaker 2:did you. It's stupid, it's a little possible. Huh man, nah, but it was definitely one for the books. You know what I'm saying. But again, you guys, we appreciate all of our Spotify listeners, our Apple podcast listeners, all the Apple music listeners, the Deezer, all these. We have people that listen to us from iHeartRadio. I don't even know if people use that still.
Speaker 5:I know, I get the statistics, I look at them Back in Pandora. I thought nobody used Pandora, no more.
Speaker 2:Pandora. Hey, fuck, pandora, bro, they never took our podcast. They never did. You know, that was the only, that was the only platform that gave us the finger. Everybody else took us. Yeah, they didn't accept it. Fuck, pandora, nobody used Pandora fuck. I think they they caught on to us saying fuck them. So they're. So you know what? Just block it, it's all right, you guys are barely relevant anyway. So fuck, you know, I'll say fuck Pandora. Everyone use Spotify or Apple Music, exactly, exactly, and we're on both of those.
Speaker 4:I don't even know. We're on the ones that matter. We're on the ones that matter.
Speaker 2:Exactly, we're on the platforms that matter. Yeah, hashtag, hot, take. Shout out to Spotify listeners. The listeners are really where we get most of our streams. So, you know, shout out to the YouTubers, the guys that watch us on. You know, visually we're going to be on Rumble, probably most likely next season. Just because there's a few things, a few hoops, I got to finish jumping through with the podcast. But you know, in the meantime, you guys, we really appreciate the views, we appreciate the love. All right, guys. With that being said, it's been timeless talk. We'll see you guys next week for the finale. We got a nice one planned for you guys. We'll see you then. Thank you, god bless. You. See you next week. I got it, you.
