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Timeless Talk
🔊🎸⚡️Journey through Beats while Strumming the Strings of Existence
J. Valle, a virtuoso guitarist, joins us on this episode of Timeless Talk to share his captivating journey within the music industry. From his humble beginnings, resonating with the emotive power of 90s Hip-Hop, R&B & church music, to the unparalleled thrill of witnessing his name alongside Kendrick Lamar’s in album credits, Valle's explanation weaves a fascinating tale of perseverance and passion. We also indulge our curiosity for the controversial world of conspiracy theories, & our guest offers his unique perspective on some of the most debated conspiracies.
As the discussion progresses, we explore the profound impact of music on the human emotion. We ponder the magic that occurs when a single chord or sound sparks an entire song, and the immense power music holds to connect with people on a deep, emotional level. J. Valle offers insights into his creative process & the dynamics of his collaborations, taking us on a journey through his world of artistic growth. Which leads him (Valle) to reminisce about his contributions to Kendrick Lamar's "good kid, m.A.A.d city," bringing to light the exhilaration and the internal battles producers face in recognizing their successes. We don't stop there; As we highlight the challenges faced by emerging artists & the role established figures play in bridging the gap, Valle shares his passion for nurturing talent and the exciting potential of independent artists. This episode is not just about acclaim; it's a candid look at the rollercoaster ride of the creative process, from solitary beat-making to the collaborative magic that shapes the music we love.
But why confine ourselves to the material when the metaphysical beckons? We probe the enigmatic concept of creatives as conduits for universal inspiration, and the philosophically charged topic of life beyond our dimension, the concept of time, & the possibility of communication with the departed. Delving into personal narratives, we ponder the possibility of guidance from beyond & the cultural intricacies that surround our birthday traditions—it's a conversation that spans the spiritually profound to the conspiratorially curious, all while staying grounded in the shared love for music that connects us all. Tune in for this heart-stirring, mind-bending exchange that's sure to leave you both enlightened and entertained. With Timeless Talk, the conversation never ends - it just gets more fascinating.
-Special Guest @J.Valle_
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Contributions: https://music.apple.com/us/playlist/contributions-by-j-valle/pl.u-XkD04q0fD7bA0o
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1jwtsT7QAdNuBZ3KeewJeg?si=v9BW0AYSTuGP91D8l0EKZQ&pi=u-EBcK75giQvOk
*Music Journey & Influences
*Impressions of Meeting Famous Artists
*Music Industry Accomplishments & Collaborations
*Bridging the Gap
*Music's Power
*Creative Collaboration & Artistic Growth
*Exploring Communication With the Other Side
*Contemplating Life, Religion & Aging
*Questioning Birthdays, Capitalism, & Control
*Intro Beat Credit: Memnoc (Picasso)*
*Outro Beat Credit: JJ got Beatz*
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Speaker 4:I don't want to ruin it either, because if she, for some reason sees it which she might because she f**ks with you.
Speaker 3:There is paperwork, so that's like a good sign or they f**k with you.
Speaker 4:That was a good sign, yeah, but and welcome back to the Conversation that Never Ends. This is Time. I'm your host, aj and man. We back for another surreal episode of Timeless Talk. We are post-dating. Today, we don't got no amputators. Today, man, we're in a smaller studio. Today, we don't got no amputator. We don't got 50,000 people watching us today. Not yet, not yet, not yet. But we're working on it. We're working on it. All right. Intros, intros. We're gonna get to our special guest. Here on my right. Over here on my left, we have Furious.
Speaker 1:Thanks for having me again, man Sir we shake hands, Technical difficulties, what's happening today?
Speaker 4:No, bro, you know you, I wanted to wait to do this, you know to do this. This announcement with Slide Show here. Should we wait or should?
Speaker 4:we say no, no, you want to wait, let's wait, let's wait, I'm gonna wait. I'm sorry, y'all All right. Anyway, he's joining us all the way from the Hollywood Hills. I'm just kidding, I'm just kidding man. But we got a good friend of mine. You know is a gentleman I've known for a while. You know he's got some talents to him. He's a guitarist. We got Jay Viya. Oh, thanks for being here, man, welcome. Thank you for having me. They're excited, bro, they're fans. I'll take care of it. I like that. Thanks for coming, man.
Speaker 3:Thanks for coming, thank you for being here, bro. We appreciate you being with us, man Roll with us. Appreciate you for having me.
Speaker 4:Thank you for the time, for sure, man. So, to start off the episode, we're going to go ahead and go over the topics first, and then I'm going to go ahead and, you know, run and buy the audience so they know what's going on, what we're going to discuss today. Cool, right? So before we get into the actual main topics, I kind of want to get to know you a little bit better. You know, for those of you that don't, for those out there who don't know who you are, what you do, you know what your talents are, what you experienced, what you're willing to share with us, that kind of thing. And then we'll move on to, I don't want to say darker topics, but topics that are a little more, I guess, in the conspiracy side of things if you're okay with talking about that.
Speaker 4:You know, say so, we'll go from music to conspiracy. I guess you can call it. I mean something wrong with those lines. Before we dive into the other topics, I'll leave those more of a surprise. We'll just come across them when we get there. But before we move on to that, we'll go ahead and transition over to the first topic.
Speaker 3:So it's to J Viya. I love the sound effects.
Speaker 4:Yeah, bro, got a lot of those. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I'm still playing. It sounds real. It sounds real proper, it sounds good.
Speaker 4:All right, cool, I mean your boy. Even though I don't fuck with music like that, I can figure out this board. No, it's sick.
Speaker 3:You know in real time too, you're doing it. Yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, thank you. It's cool to see you doing your thing though off topic, I appreciate that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, flowers to you, for sure, my guy I appreciate that Bro got a lot of work to do. I'm still learning. Let's go, we aren't we all know. Yes, it's a process, for sure, you know, and I'm saying to you with furious, like he's over there, just quiet up with his hoodie on Shaded. You know what I'm saying? No, but anyway, we're going to ask you man. So you know, as I've said very briefly in the intro, you play the guitar right.
Speaker 4:What made you want to get involved with music? Did you put on headphones one day just hear a song that triggered it for you? Did you just, like naturally, go to the guitar, or did you try the instruments first?
Speaker 3:Man with music in general. I think I grew up in a household with my mom, my sister they were listening to 90s R&B all the time. Oh well, I mean, brandy, remember hearing Aliyah, you know, mariah Carey, and so I always had a in tune with like R&B soul and also growing up in church too. Like I understood from an early age like the power of music and what it does to someone emotionally and how it can set the atmosphere of a room, and so I was always in tune to that. But I didn't pick up an instrument until I was 15. Like I was a bit of a late bloomer, like from what you call it.
Speaker 4:That's considered late though.
Speaker 3:Man Prodigy's like six years old, they're killing an early young guitar or drums Like they picked it up at two. You know, even basketball like to pick up a basketball at four, like that's a good point. I actually didn't think of it. I really didn't know what I was going to do until I was 14, 15. And even then it was just a hobby.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you didn't know it was going to be what it is now. No, I had no clue that there was a possibility of becoming a full time musician. I didn't know what that meant. I saw no blueprint to it. All I saw was on MTV. You know TRL, like those.
Speaker 4:You know the bands and those are the inspirations, though, man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, back in my time probably dates me a little bit, but that's what the inspiration was. You know, being around music back in the day, you know VH want to constantly be playing videos. You know, BT had their top 10 as well 106 in park, you know. So, just being around, you know watching TV, you know back in the 90s, early 2000s, but guitar specifically it was, it was Santana. I remember hearing Carlos.
Speaker 4:Santana, he's driving legends. I mean, bro, that's a legend right there.
Speaker 3:It was him and actually surprisingly, Blink 182.
Speaker 1:Wow, really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would see their videos again, like on the videos, I would see you know Tom on guitar and like, dude, I want to pick, I want to play guitar, you know guns and roses to sing slash. I want to play guitar. And then later on I just, you know, followed up on more legends like Prince and, you know, went into jazz music. So I'm also a bit of a late bloomer in that sense too of picking up, you know, following legends later on Nice.
Speaker 4:But, yeah, man, I love it. Okay, good, so it just came naturally to you and obviously you were inspired by what you watched and what you were exposed to, right, Okay, yeah, so did you ever, when you, when you play the guitar and you're like selling it, okay, this is, this is my thing, I know what I'm going to do now. Did you ever, did it ever cross your mind? Cause I know hip hop was more of a specific thing? Right, wasn't just Carlson's antenna melodies? Right, cause it melodies that captivated you.
Speaker 4:And then we hip hop that kept you, mmm, would you say that? Or because I mean like you, cuz I know you transitioned to doing guitar like yeah, was it guitar covers.
Speaker 3:Right, I remember those days. You helped me out with some things. I did, I did.
Speaker 2:Me, me and caveman, a couple things. Good days, man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that transition, I mean hip-hop, almost also a bit late in that too, but Kind of morphing my guitar into the hip-hop was. I remember back in the Twitter days I would you know this was 2010, 2011, so you know, mixtape was out. The blog era, yeah. So the weekend was putting out mixtapes Frank Ocean mixtapes, jay Cole had the warm-up.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Drake just dropped, take care. And so I was also in a music school contemporary school that was. You could have auditions to go on tour with a pop act or A rock band but you know, even coming out of you know I would play in church a lot too. So I was familiar with like band playing and like I always played in church, it's good I got you used to life.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm, how I supposed to sound. Yeah, you gotta do sound checks, all this stuff, yeah with it. So I'm thinking like, okay, I got it.
Speaker 3:To make it I got to play live somewhere, go on tour or something, yeah. But then, with listening to that that era of music in 2011 I'm like and there's, I hear guitar on these things like who's doing that? What are they called? I didn't even know that that was such a thing like becoming a session musician, going to studios, like I had no idea what a suit a session was, a studio.
Speaker 4:They just so you didn't know there was other. Obviously you knew there was there's. There's a Element in a beat right but you know what? That was. There was a guitarist.
Speaker 3:No, I didn't even know what a producer was. I thought the artist made the music themselves.
Speaker 4:I Right.
Speaker 3:On Twitter. I would just reach out to the artists themselves and, you know, kind of put myself out there, I'll play guitar, I was decent enough, but obviously I didn't get a response back. But then I'd reach out. I think I was on wiki and I realized, like wait, the people who made the music, they're called producers. Yeah, these producers have people working with them to make the music. So let me reach out to producers. So, I just researched all the songs like I hit up elite from cold.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, he actually hit me back. Yeah, emails back in the day, that's it you know, boy wonder I hit up T minus.
Speaker 3:I hit up Hit boy back in 2011.
Speaker 4:That's cool and then.
Speaker 3:But that's where the covers came in, because I'm like I gotta they're just seeing some, some kid on the screen and like I have nothing to showcase. So let me do guitar covers of the beats that they've done the instrumentals Smart, send that to them that makes sense and do my own like version like at the moment.
Speaker 3:I call them little twist or covers or whatever yeah so I did that and and three Think two of them, three like elite, hit me back but we never really continued working. But one of them was he's a producer named sounds and T minus and they they both gave me Like my, they opened the door to me to come into the sessions and and it was, it was dope man Like. I learned a lot from there and that's when I was a whole other world open to me, thanks to those guys.
Speaker 4:So yeah, yeah, cool. Before I continue my question, did you have anything? You want to ask him furious? I know you have. You, you're also musically inclined as well. Yeah, did you have anything like you want to share with him from your background of doing the same thing, or Any questions from.
Speaker 1:I mean I know. I mean I know I don't know people the way he does. I mean I know one of my boys works for Atlantic, so you know we would Record and all that stuff.
Speaker 4:But that's still in that world, though. Yeah sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, you know like I've been, like you know, with with them a and ours and and ours, but that you know, not everyone hits you back. Yeah, it's very hard to get like in touch with these people.
Speaker 4:Well, he's even said it too. They've left them. They've replied to you months later, sometimes at a time right there now, always right back to you, right away.
Speaker 3:If an idea got made in 2014, it could be 2019 and they're like hey, remember that idea. Well, it's gonna be a single now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I know, just hit you without a nowhere, like what the fuck, yeah, you sent them years ago Could just spark some type of you know, I mean the future and then they end up doing some with it.
Speaker 1:You know, you got to like copyright your stuff too, because there's a lot of that going around too. We're like. We're like producers aren't getting paid or they're not getting like credit it. You know I'm saying like you'll have, like. There'll be a song that that you're hearing, but the idea came from someone who's not even who's not even known. They're not, they're never, probably never gonna be. You know discovered but yeah it's just the way the business.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, before we go forward, guys, I wanted to put this out there. I know our guest is sitting in slideshows. Chair today.
Speaker 5:I'm gonna have a little bit.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, no, no, no. You're good, I didn't say I was gonna put you here.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, no. So so I just wanted to be here. You actually wanted to meet you man. I just had to. He had to come in to work early today, so as long as why you're sitting in this by just for those are wondering where he's at today, I just wanted to put that out there. You can put that in the intro, but I just wanted to throw it out there for sure. But I'm yeah, no, you know co-coining off what you guys are talking about. Like I know that you had a little bit of history playing with bees as well. I'm kind of, you know, get dabbling in that world, having some things here and there. Do you have any experiences with people that you did finally connect with and get through with that? You're willing to share that?
Speaker 3:you're able to speak about. Everyone that I've worked with and met directly in person has always been good, genuine people up front to you, like they're. They call you by your name, you know they're shaking your hand, they're welcoming you, they're inviting you respectful. Yeah, and the space is there as if everyone is equal right. So obviously there's some like stars who like get special treatment or whatever it is you know. But yeah, nothing, nothing off crazy, that's like worth no worthy.
Speaker 4:You're saying I'm sharing. Okay, that's fair, that's cool. Yeah, I do appreciate what you were willing to share. Yeah, so it wasn't. So what it wasn't to coin off of that answer so it wasn't in your face was more like a subtle thing that you kind of Recircle back on when you left the studio, right, and that was a little off feeling, right.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm, I don't know, man, it's not always what it seems. But then I know that for some artists it is what it seems right like what they do portray ends up being. Because I think you've worked with other artists that when you're with them you're like, oh man, it actually is what it would they portray it to be, like right where you're what they've shown and they're behind the scenes videos. And you told me you've worked with another artist that ended up being like what he seemed like you know, off camera.
Speaker 4:Off camera as far as like lifestyle. Yeah for first of all, as far as how he presented himself, and in vibe wise, and then you told me this individual is down to earth. Yeah, right, so, but not now what you not know what? Well, it's what you expect, right? So what you see in the music is actually how he is in person, right? Mm-hmm, that was refreshing me to hear he's like man us nice to know that it's not as dark, yeah, as music industry seems to be.
Speaker 3:Man. At the end of the day, someone told me very early on, we all breathe the same air that we like no one like um, and we're all human beings having this, you know, experience here on earth.
Speaker 3:So some people have special abilities, special talents that they've crafted, that they've worked at, that they've honed in on and therefore they get certain privileges, certain access, certain amount of attention, notoriety, accomplishments, obviously. But we're all capable of that and so when I honed in on that, like it's just, it's not a surprise to me anymore that you know so and so could be on a certain Status level through the internet or still be down there, it's still be a person, still like you know. Hey, I'm hungry, you guys want some food?
Speaker 4:Yeah, human being yeah, so it's cool so yeah.
Speaker 3:I've been fortunate enough to meet some, some, some cool people that have shown me that you know you couldn't be of that high caliber of of artists, of social, social current, have some social currency or, like you know, be some notoriety and fame but still be super down to earth and, you know, warm and genuine and like it's not like an act. You know too, there's some also people that's like and I was you're rude, but they just like us, that's also human, because they probably had a bad day, because they're probably stressed about the millions of things that's on their plate. So again I I learned how to take that personal and just kind of.
Speaker 4:You know they're like that. No, yeah, that's true, because then you know you have days where you're not yourself. You might snap with somebody right in a way that you're like, well, I'm not normally like this, and they know that. Or the people that know me know that. You know, yeah, but it happens there, but you're, I agree with that. So, yeah, no, I appreciate you sharing that with us. But is there before we go for we move on and stuff? To the next part of the questions I have for you Is there any accolades that you're okay with sharing? As far as, like, what you've accomplished, why it's an accolade?
Speaker 2:it's an accomplishment.
Speaker 3:It's probably like my imposter soon.
Speaker 4:So I'm like wait what you got? Accolades, bro. I mean, come on, unless you want to downplay it, bro, accolades. Oh no, I mean Don't know is there anything you want to share, because I mean that they can look, or you want me to just tell them to Look you up and find it for themselves?
Speaker 3:No, it's actually pretty hard. It's pretty difficult to look me up.
Speaker 4:No, okay.
Speaker 3:Sometimes the credits, it goes by J Viya, but then my, my, you know some are elicit as Josh by it and so they're kind of scattered, but I'm pretty proud of a few things.
Speaker 4:You should be.
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm saying man, we're trying to give you a spotlight right now, man, so you just, I'm always, you know, I used to spotlight, but Now I would say, like the coolest thing is, you know, growing up again too in that 90s, 2000s era, like you know, getting physical CDs, yeah, opening the booklets and see who did what yeah the credits, the lyrics, the different art that's in there.
Speaker 3:I always thought how cool it'd be to see my name in one of those booklets. So I would say, like the coolest or the act of ways I really like sharing and showcasing is Is seeing my name next to a few a few other names.
Speaker 2:That's like what that's like what are the?
Speaker 3:odds, like yeah, and it's it inspires me to keep going, but also to like hey, like if I could do it, anyone could do it. Thanks, I feel like that.
Speaker 4:I have like a bit of a well, yes and no, I don't think anybody, anybody could do it. Someone, someone with with a Drive and discipline can do it, but they're capable in there.
Speaker 5:They're definitely capable. Yeah, very In theory, everybody can be able to do it if they're, if they're disciplined enough in there.
Speaker 4:But they are. I agree with the capable part. Right, if you, if you, if you woke up this morning and you're breathing, you're capable. Right, but I feel like, if you, obviously, if you're able to be moving around and do things like you can, you're capable. But some people don't always capitalize on that right, yeah, but we're not disciplined enough. I hear that to go to the gym, or whatever the case. You know me so that's definitely part of it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, man. But you know what man shout out to you for being as humble as you are, bro, you know saying cuz he's being humble right now? I mean real fucking humble.
Speaker 3:I don't know what you call it, but I don't know. I just think it is cuz.
Speaker 4:I mean like you're not one the years that you said in positive syndrome. You don't even want to talk about what you have accomplishment. You don't want to say don't. I don't see like I'm praying, but I know it's your first podcast. No, you do your thing. Like what do you want to ask that? I just want to know who were these accolades like. Who did you work with they?
Speaker 3:want to know well. I mean the first person that was like you know, this is happening Like I was a really big fan of him in 2011 2012 was Kendrick. So working on the good Kid Matz CD album. Like that was one of my first studio sessions.
Speaker 4:I've ever had this first credit, yeah, first big credit, first.
Speaker 3:Yeah, first again the first time seeing my name on that booklet.
Speaker 1:Which which tracks?
Speaker 3:Bish, don't kill my vibe. Oh hell yeah.
Speaker 1:He's too humble for all telling you.
Speaker 4:Now, I can never be too humble. That that's actually.
Speaker 3:That was that you that was actually a sample though, but I I replayed it. I'm honestly not 100% sure. Like on record, I'm not 100% sure if that's actually my guitar, but I recreated the sample of of that. But my guitar playing is more like there's little licks in there. Right at the beginning, the first eight seconds of the song, you can hear me noodling right, and the studio session in of itself was.
Speaker 3:It felt like a whole dream, because there's no drums was on the track, yet, like producer, sound wave, sound, shout out, sound wave. He gave me a break too, like inviting me to the session, which is, you know this was in Carson.
Speaker 3:This was before they were. They were, I think they were signed, but they weren't in you know inner scope or doing big budget sessions yet. So I got to meet everyone that that night and all that was playing in the room was just the pads of the, the instrumental of the Of the track right. Kendrick was on his blackberry then, just like blackberry writing his verse. Man, you know, and he was again real cool down earth people, you know, and then they all left after he. I got to witness him.
Speaker 3:Like record his verse in the booth, that's dope and I'm just sitting there with my guitar again like the imposter syndrome, like what do I do?
Speaker 4:I don't, I don't really know studio etiquette right in this moment Do I sit here and watch the work? Do I just do I just play soundly in the corner questions like that? Right? Do you ask yourself what I do?
Speaker 3:I just me my personality, like when in doubt, like I'm just gonna be a fly on the wall.
Speaker 5:And if I'm needed, I'm here, I'm ready.
Speaker 1:But you know, I just I don't want to do too much.
Speaker 3:It is. So I remember they all left to to go to liquor store or something like this was probably two in the morning, and then I just stayed with with Ali and he left the whole thing looping for like 20 minutes and I just freestyle. He was like just play what you want, and I'm oh okay, I'm just I'm jamming. And then they just chopped and picked what they liked and it ended up on the track and A few months later I think this was January 2012. So a few months later I got a text asking like hey, how do you want your name on the credit?
Speaker 3:And then In sound way dude, that was such a good moment man. That's cool man, so I'm really happy about that and there. Everyone at tde was very proper with the way to go about like. Very professional very professional with. Like you know, this is how you could get paid like the business business side of it. He put me on game of like publishing. You know he's like don't, don't quickly sign a publishing deal. Like keep all your publishing and.
Speaker 3:Which is a whole other subject that I'm honestly still learning about. But, um, but yeah, man, I'm really thankful that that was my first, first one, man.
Speaker 2:So I was a big.
Speaker 4:That's a great one, bro. That's a big placement, right?
Speaker 3:I mean he's arguably one of the biggest artists, obviously. So that's, I think he's.
Speaker 1:That's on one number one right, and he's not, no for sure, he's number one right, he's top three, not three.
Speaker 4:I agree, I agree with you on that one. He's definitely not three, bro.
Speaker 3:but you know, glory to god bro. Yeah, amen to that bro. That's awesome man. God is good.
Speaker 4:You know, we're afraid we don't forget to give him the glory.
Speaker 5:So I agree with you on that. That's awesome.
Speaker 4:That you. That's absolutely that's number one. Um, is there anything that you would want to share with us that it was like very pleasant, aside from the studio session you just described to us with Kendrick? Was there someone else that you were like man? That was a good vibe. I would definitely want to work with that person again.
Speaker 3:Oh, as far as like person I've worked with. Yeah, um man, I'd want to work with j Cole.
Speaker 4:I'll be no, yeah, yeah, no. No, see, that was actually. That's actually my next question. I guess I worded it wrong. Well, I was trying to say was like it was there a past experience that you, that you, there's someone you did work with. Yeah that you would want that, that you would want to work with again, that you already had worked with that. You were like I would definitely go back if they asked me to oh man, that's what I meant.
Speaker 3:Like it's just everybody, or I know you're trying to dig for, bro, I'd work with all of them again. That's good, I like that Okay but I've been in rooms with sessions with like with j Cole. I've been in the room with him, but I wish that session would have been more like deliberate, with Like we're really locking in to work. It was like a brief Hour of actual like making, music making, okay, and then the rest was like it was great conversation. You know his manager is there.
Speaker 3:T-minus was there, but this is one of the first times like we all meet, so it was like an introduction session. I think that's cool, so it was mixed in with that. So I wish, like I could, I would have more time with him. I would love to get back in the room with him.
Speaker 4:That's cool, okay, so it does tie into who you want to work with. Is j Cole right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 4:That's cool yeah j Cole seemed.
Speaker 1:He just seemed like he's very, like he's so open-minded. You know what I'm saying. So it's like it's like creating with him would be like, like like a dope experience. You know what I mean, cause like you don't know which way it's gonna go, but it's gonna be dope.
Speaker 3:Very open-minded. Yeah, you're right on that. Yeah, that's cool man.
Speaker 4:So to say, aside from that, like, since that's something you want to work with, that's a good way to answer that question. So those are, those are your experiences that help shape moldy who you are today, right, yeah, so where do you see yourself going with your career now? Like, what music? Musically, yeah, man.
Speaker 3:I would, I would want to. I would want to create a almost like a bridge, a bridge of. I would want to become a bridge towards other musicians, artists, producers, to facilitate their creativity into land, safely into the hands of Artists and writers and other producers in the industry who are more established. Because it seems like that route, that like connection, um, I, you know, I would just want to be a bridge and and inspire others to, because there's a lot of creative people out there.
Speaker 3:There's so many that don't don't get heard, because either who they're sharing their idea with you know they're not honest or it just doesn't land on the right ears. Yeah, and so I don't know. I don't know what that looks like, like business model wise, or but in my heart it's just to inspire others and I'd want, I'd love, to be able to have a um evolve into that type of like A&R executive. I'm not sure about like music label, but, you know, maybe like my own publishing company, I'd love. I love artist development, like I tried that for, but for a few years. I try to develop like a few different artists I was very passionate about. So I love, I love the process of building and so, and you know, seeing potential from here land into here.
Speaker 4:I know it's possible, I have my own version of a blueprint or a way that could go, and I love being a connector, a facilitator this good because it actually actually um Ties into my next question, which is is there anybody up and coming that you're working with, that You're excited about that? You see real potential in the a max.
Speaker 2:I've been up there working with the ones that are high up.
Speaker 4:You got some here you're on to something, yeah, that you're working with. Yeah, actually.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um rachel revis. This independent artist named rachel revis. Um, she's an overall talent. She has man, she has the ears of a producer, she creates like a producer, writes like a brilliant songwriter and.
Speaker 3:She's a performer, too Nice, and she she hardly has any like live shows under her belt and, uh, we put a band together and we did like so far sounds shows in la, which is a really cool, intimate, like pop up shows that they do in backyards in la. So, but I've worked with her off and on for since, like 2018, 2017 and um, man, she's just, she's hungry, she's like ideas hungry. She's like she writes, she's creative, she's Um. So I'm really excited about her, man. I think she's gonna be a big star.
Speaker 5:That's cool man.
Speaker 3:And then you know, I have, I have some friends who were Kind of up and coming and now they're doing the thing like my, my, my bro, marcus samaj. He's been man, his journey has been very, very inspiring. You know, becoming a writer and now writing for, like, give you on snow, allegra, amongst other people, and he's killing it Like he's bryce and tiller and he's still making music.
Speaker 4:I don't know. Yeah, yeah Now.
Speaker 3:He's. Oh, bryce, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4:I heard that. I'm really from him. It's a good while man. He had that one hit album that he did right. Yeah, did you hear about the whole off topic? Sorry.
Speaker 5:I'm gonna cut you off. I don't want to cut you off.
Speaker 4:That was a little controversy. Now here we go. Oh, it's like we kind of bulls you with now. Here we go. Did you hear about that? Because I know, you know, you know some producers in the game right who are the two cats. Because you know, jaco, and you know I'm going with this right that song exchange. So, the beat to that right the producers. I guess we're beefing it there.
Speaker 4:Had, they weren't they didn't get along right, and I guess the guy that made the one for bryce and the guy though I don't know the producer's name, sorry, but the producer that made exchange for bryce I guess he bit the melody or the same sample was the guy that made Was it put your finger? The one that's in the song, yeah, is it put your fingers in the sky? And it's the one that jaco made. It's for the same melody, so it's more sped up instead of being so slow like bryce's exchange, the one that jaco had on his album, which was four yards only.
Speaker 4:Yeah it was a put your finger in the sky If you want it and it's like fucking it's higher faster, pitched faster it's quicker. That producer claims that the other guy stole his. Is there any truth to that? Do you know anything about it?
Speaker 1:about that drama at all. It happens. You heard about that, right I know. You've heard both songs, right you know what's wrong about her? I've heard them, but I can't like recall like exactly. It's an older song.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't remember like the storyline behind. I remember when it happened and then there was like a lot of controversy, because then you know, cole used that being everyone out of math.
Speaker 4:You thought of a song that he yeah, exactly it's like.
Speaker 3:Is this the same beat?
Speaker 4:to me hear it. Yeah, it damn. You sounds the same, you know it does but I don't remember, man.
Speaker 3:I don't know any of the backstory to it.
Speaker 4:I was just curious if you knew or not. I don't mean to disappoint you, but I don't, I don't really know you're not disappointed me man.
Speaker 3:I was just wondering anything, anything about that.
Speaker 4:You know. Yeah, I know you were. I know you heard the familiarity to it. Yeah, definitely yeah.
Speaker 3:But it happens, dude, if, like you know, creatives are tapping into the same, to that same wavelength, you know they could hear, they could literally hear the same sample.
Speaker 4:Soundcloud yeah.
Speaker 3:You know, but you know the um, the trans, not the translation, but the Um interpretation of what they want to do over that sample. Different could be different, or maybe could be the same, and then how you flip it. It's like whoa, we were both inspired by the same thing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because you could because you could flip the same sample. We've heard the same sample flipped a dozen times. Oh yeah, I mean I could. Just what's one I can give you guys? Um memnock yeah, him and his boy, leo Leo, made a beat. It's called um. I have to play for you guys. It was like it was not really gangster, but it was kind of about growing up in the hood. The song itself, but the beat was very, very similar to Bob Lobo with j Cole and uh and um and Royce.
Speaker 4:So that song that beat Very, very similar sounding but the one that my boy rapped over, he sped it up so it's almost like the same thing's exchange and finger in the sky. It's so very similar, bob Lobo, so slow, you know, it's like it's but, it's a dope, memorable beat, right?
Speaker 4:The other one's the same same melody, I think, the same exact sample would just sped up. So just an example giving you of, like you know, like you said, someone hearing it on soundcloud, the song I'm actually referring to is on soundcloud to show it to you so you can hear it. Okay, yeah, I got it here. Yeah, but it's, it's like this, the same beat as Bob Lobo, which is sped up. So my, my example being my point being my point being that you know, samples are not off limits to anybody, right? Obviously, we can make a song out of whatever you know anyone could be a sample. Yeah, you can make a song out of congratulations, you played it. It could be out of that, probably, right, wouldn't doubt it, you know.
Speaker 4:Alright, guys so, with that being said, before we finally jump into these two video clips that we're in discuss, right, mm-hmm, a conspiracy theories. Is there anything else you want to ask each other? Or is there anything you want to ask J by before we move on?
Speaker 1:yeah, what's your workflow like?
Speaker 3:If I'm on my own, I kind of just, I'll just have fun, I'll just let the like, whatever cord, anything that like strikes me to feel like Some type of movement or emotion, I'll let that guide me In the studio session. If there's with other people, I'll kind of wait up, I'll still. I'll treat it like a playground, I'll wait.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 3:A lot of noodling, a lot of just messing around, playing, a lot of conversation could happen too, but that, the moment that there's, like you know, ears perk up if someone finds a sound, someone finds a sample, if someone, it's a certain chord and it's oh, hold that. Oh, everyone just perk up hold it, wait, wait. What's that? What sound is that they'll ask questions, then you go from there. Yeah then you build everything off of that one spark right, Because I heard something.
Speaker 4:They just triggered it for him like it might have inspired some.
Speaker 3:Yeah activity or some, and man, it's magic happens in that moment because you could just you loop that Thing the right. If there's a writer in the room, the writers just hooker now they start flowing. They're they're entering their flow state with writing then, another person can even put on headphones and be in.
Speaker 3:Just alright, I build a beat around that right now and then the other person is just like mixing that sound or Tuning that progression and then an hour and a half passes by, and then all three of them put it together, then it's like oh then it just becomes about arranging it in a way where you don't mess up, right, we don't mess up.
Speaker 3:That initial spark, don't do too much. So to me, simplicity is is key. But I always go off of that spark, especially if there's other people in the other room. Right, they're like wait, what, what was that? Yeah, I'll find my flow like that, but preferably I I do like to work alone. For the most part I, like you know I feel I feel most comfortable there.
Speaker 1:But there's no eyes. No, and you know like you don't feel as much pressure right, no I mean it's good to have that pressure too, because it I mean, I think that the pressure is cool, you know, but at the same time it's like you want to. You want to be comfortable in that pressure too.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, so it's like.
Speaker 1:It's like, let's say you are making something Right. Let's say that you do have an idea, right. You know, people might not rock with this idea, but you have it and you're like, you're like just like perfecting it.
Speaker 1:You know, right, it might be a simple, you know, you know, like as like for the final product, you just taken out that sample and it's just, you know, whatever you, you know like made around it bad people, like you know, I mean. So it's like there's a, there's a certain gift that comes with. You know, just like going in like by yourself. You know, because you can always take out pieces and add something in.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so that's a good thing, yeah no, I agree, and I feel like you know what, when it comes to creative process, like Not everything's gonna sound great to everybody. But it's like my question for you, because you did say this, for being a taste maker, what do you think it, what do you think it takes to be someone like that, to like, no, trust me, this does sound good and it's gonna. How do you know? You know, saying, is there something in you or there's something as an artist that you just like, you just fucking know? Is it because of past? You know I'm saying it's past them Sorry, what's the word? Is it because of past success?
Speaker 4:with a certain sound, like I said, are just no one works because you know that. Okay, look, I'm the one that discovered this sound, or I'm the one that played the sound and it got. It got as big as it did, or it was much of yours, or it was as big as a hit as I knew was gonna be. And now the Acola or the on the next leg is the. The numbers speak for it. Do you think it's because of that or do you?
Speaker 2:think it just they.
Speaker 4:Just have it.
Speaker 1:We have it. I think it's a. I think part of it's. A part of it is just the song being good, you know, just just the music being good, but also it's also like a certain like frequency, that it that that is hitting.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean just like with the chords that they use, you know, just like C's or a, you know saying like G, minor, whatever like yeah, like the certain chords, like when they hit, like there's a certain emotional vibe that you feel with Certain songs, like like they're just certain songs were, like it was like hit on a certain part, mm-hmm, and you just can't help but feel mm-hmm, you know, I mean, and they just engineered to like it's almost as if they they like studied people's ears, yeah, souls, you know that's crazy.
Speaker 3:Like something as subtle as like a major, major chord feels it makes you feel happy, a minor chord it makes you feel so they do evoke emotions in.
Speaker 4:Well, that's one part.
Speaker 3:That's the, that's the like magician part. Yeah of being a musician or producer. Right, it's like music's powerful man. Music is one of the most powerful things we have in this, in this lifetime and you control Theoretically control people with it. Right if you, if you know and you're tapped in to like. All right, if I want to give this frequency of like sadness, but then in this part of the chord progression it uplifts, you could do that like a math, like a math problem Using chords, so you basically know what kind of vibe and what mood you want your audience to be in just by what you're playing.
Speaker 4:But that's right, that's crazy man.
Speaker 1:That's why some songs you might hear it and it just doesn't go, it's like right, like it doesn't fit, like it might be a dope. Like you know, there might be dope lyrics on, it might be dope wordplay, but the vibe is just like it doesn't work.
Speaker 3:But to answer your question about like, what, the like of being a taste maker, solidified taste maker, though whatever accolades one has, that could back up, like that could really reinforce why, what your opinion, creative opinion, like how much weight it carries, how much value it has, that could back it up. But I think what could make a real taste maker, what makes one, is really the reps, the reps in the gym that they took right the, the fails. You know, I respect it. That makes sense.
Speaker 4:All that, every single thing success and the middle to they built up to it.
Speaker 3:They built up, they have reps to know, to know like what's what's. And again, what I told you earlier too, with like, it depends on the session that you're in. If you're in a session with an artist, you're tailoring to that artist specifically. So, at the end of the day, they're gonna be the taste maker because they're gonna like what they like and you could like an idea or be, or a certain chord progression, a certain way. But if, at the end of the day, if the artist in the room If they don't like this shit and they don't like it.
Speaker 1:You know it's almost like it's almost like you almost like cooking, like it's like a producer, you're all. It's almost as if you're like what's that called Hibachi, yeah, you know, saying like you're right there the fucking watching you cook it. You know, I mean, and it's like okay, I want that chef boy. I was like no, like this take is too is too rare, or something that you know you know saying so it's like you do have to cater.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's good, that's a good.
Speaker 3:That's a good example too. Yeah, the language of like church, like you got to serve, you got to serve the song you have to serve. Like in is bigger than you as a producer, as a, as a creative, as a musician, yeah, like, if a producer wants the musician to play a certain way, the musician can't be like well, I would have done it this way. That's pride, that's ego. Like you got to serve the song, the song is calling for you to do that and, yeah, it's your job to be excellent at it and Adapt yourself to that way. And then the producer, likewise the artist, is gonna tell the producer take this out. And the producer can't get offended or take it personal.
Speaker 1:You know, because you know people don't put they like that they put their life into it happens here too, at that level cuz you would think.
Speaker 3:You would think, yeah you would think damn man but, even like, even to that, that that independent artists that's out there, that independent producer that's out there Like just don't be afraid to make mistakes and don't be so attached to your ideas because, at the end of the day, they're not ours.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I believe that, like we're just vessels here at this time and we tap into a creative frequency that we're able to pull from because really we hear the music in our head first. Yeah before we Musicians, artists, producers, writers, any type of creative, even artists, painters they bring that out into this physical form. It's channeled first. It is right, but really like that's not ours an idea, but we're vestal source. Yeah. So like, don't be attached to your ideas, whether you take criticism for them, whether people don't accept them from like who you are.
Speaker 3:Like you're not, but defined by your creative ideas at all. You're not defined by them. So you know, that's what I would say.
Speaker 4:That's interesting way to put it. I never thought about it that way. That makes a good point. That is deep. I would think that you tap into. That's crazy. That's not originally yours, it was just passed down.
Speaker 1:It's not. You have anything new coming up.
Speaker 3:I do, man. I actually got paperwork for something that an idea that I sent early 2017. Oh, oh shit it's literally guitar progression that I sent. So and the artist at the time was like, oh, I love this, I'm gonna write a song to it. And then and I never heard back from it until the pandemic and during the pandemic she actually called me about it and was like hey, how are you? She checked in good people, is this Rachel?
Speaker 2:No no this is somebody else.
Speaker 4:This is another like he can't say no, it's gonna be. You told me to pry hard. I'm a prior to say it right.
Speaker 5:I'm gonna tell you right now.
Speaker 3:I don't know there's different, because I know not out yet.
Speaker 4:Oh, fair point Okay.
Speaker 3:It's like I don't want to jinx it.
Speaker 4:No, that's fair, that's fair, that's fair. I don't want to ruin either, because she's if she for some reason.
Speaker 3:She's is what she might because she thought there is, there is paperwork, so that's like a good or they, they fuck with you.
Speaker 3:That's a good time, yeah, but she, yeah, she ended up calling me during the pandemic asking me about it. Remember that one loop they send me. Can you send me the file again? And you know, and I'm so hype because during the pandemic that was a tough time for me, like creatively, like you know, for as it was for a lot of people too, like even like living wise and, like you know, everybody forced to stay home and I moved around so much that time. But that's a whole the story because I was in constant survival mode during Pandemic you did.
Speaker 4:I remember that it was a long. There's a time in your life we were just You're all over the place.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm, yeah, so that was like a big like hope, a big like answered prayer, that call. It's like a five-minute call from from her so, that's cool. It was really dope Um, and then again three years later after that, like I reached out, I was like, hey, this idea again.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you've done anything to it and I saved it. Like when I send ideas out, sometimes I'll send the same one, that's another artist and whoever calling that calls dibs first or writes to it some first. But I've never had that issue. But with this one specifically, I never shared it with anyone else. I've never shared it. It was really made for her.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's cool. So that fact, the sheet wow, that's cool, man, and that's gonna be used now, all these years later, bro.
Speaker 3:It's gonna be used.
Speaker 4:I heard it for the first time.
Speaker 3:Thank you, that's cool. Thank you, man. It's gonna be part of. It's gonna be part of some special God willing is gonna become. It's gonna come out this month on the 15th. It's gonna be part I could. I could maybe share like this is like exclusive.
Speaker 4:Okay, I could share a little exclusive, okay, okay, yeah, excuse me, oh so after all, we're not.
Speaker 3:No, daniel, feet out from what they've told me is gonna be part of a soundtrack of a movie that's coming out Christmas Day.
Speaker 1:Whoa Is it in the R&B song.
Speaker 4:Yes, okay you know, you know, I think I know what it is up what movies coming on.
Speaker 3:Christmas day oh, he's coming out. Christmas Day, I probably.
Speaker 4:I don't know, actually I don't know, but if you all know, out there, go ahead and take a look. If you know what he's talking about, I think I'll just say there I'll say it there.
Speaker 3:Okay, but I'm really happy man. I got like I talked to the producer over the phone and he FaceTime me and he let me hear the song too, for the first time.
Speaker 4:That's cool.
Speaker 3:And there's such a special feeling with like hearing vocals over an idea you did, oh yes.
Speaker 4:I didn't make you feel when you heard that he said he sent it to you. No, no, no, he couldn't send it to me.
Speaker 3:It was like you know you can't send it yet, but I'll share like let me, you can hear it like here on my phone with me. Yeah so he screen you and screen shared it and then that's no. Heard it from his phone. It's inspiring, can?
Speaker 1:you share it with us.
Speaker 3:I don't have it. He didn't actually send it.
Speaker 5:I can share the idea like I can share the idea.
Speaker 3:Okay it's a simple, like it's a simple progression, simple guitar progression. I made.
Speaker 4:You want to connect your phone to this device, or do you want to just play it, are you?
Speaker 3:I can just play it through here Like. I'll just give you an example of, like you know, this is.
Speaker 1:Everything's already like copyrighted and all that stuff.
Speaker 4:If it is, you could just show us a similar riff you know. So you don't. Yeah, I'll show you guys after.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'll use that but man, I'm just proud and that's so. That's what I have coming up. That's. That's been like a big, a big blessing for me this year and I feel like this is this will be the most like I Don't know, this is probably my biggest like accomplishment or the most like authentic one. That's like true me the most. You know, I don't know, I don't know, man, this is, I'm just thankful bro.
Speaker 4:I'm really opportunity. That's cool man.
Speaker 5:That's anything out in a minute.
Speaker 3:So this, this will be the one that's. You know, I'm just happy to be back.
Speaker 4:I'm very grateful. No, I'm glad to hear that. Did you get plaques for all your? They sent? They sent you once who I didn't know they do that. They do that right, you actually get a plaque. You actually have to order it.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, there's a company. You wonder your house.
Speaker 4:Got to buy them too.
Speaker 3:I think they do.
Speaker 4:Wow, they even got it. You know, on top of regular have the frame in the house with the record and they got the picture of the album.
Speaker 3:You have to buy it, yeah, but to me is even the artist has to buy it.
Speaker 4:I mean it is worth it, but, but, oh, but, it's just wait you earn that, yeah, you earn the credit, but instead of them sending, that's your house. You have to pay for that, you to pay for it.
Speaker 1:Damn, they don't want to. That's what I said, at least from back when it was worth it to me.
Speaker 3:I didn't care, no, I got. I mean, I get it Of course accomplishment.
Speaker 4:Why not broadcast your accomplishment?
Speaker 3:I agree I would do the same shit, I buy it.
Speaker 1:I feel kind of like I think, I think, I think we just shocked, just because it's like yeah, these are like billion dollar institution.
Speaker 4:You know saying this like well, they couldn't be buy for everybody that was involved. You, know?
Speaker 3:yeah, they said they got to do a lot of changes in the music industry.
Speaker 4:I legit just thought that one day you opened your mail and there was a packer. You came home, there was a package in your doorstep with your accolades. Oh, I wish. I would be nice, Right, you would think that would. They would do that. Give me your credit and you know no way.
Speaker 1:It doesn't make sense. Actually it doesn't make sense, and this isn't like they got to like to look exactly. It's not the side of them, because you do still Still get the credit. It's still on there.
Speaker 4:So of course it's on the actual. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:Remember, like in high school, when, when they wanted you to buy your class ring.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, it's exactly.
Speaker 3:That's for you. You earned your way to high school. That's a good question.
Speaker 4:I wonder sports players. So now I wonder sorry, I'm gonna cut you off. I wonder sports players got to pay for their shit too when they won a championship.
Speaker 1:Super Bowl? That probably not.
Speaker 3:no right, I wouldn't think so much money I wouldn't be surprised if, like the team, paid for it as an Expansion yeah yeah, did some type of like how to had to have a budget.
Speaker 4:I thought that the league just to curve it but maybe depending on their budget is how?
Speaker 3:how much that thing is Shining, how much like?
Speaker 5:diamonds is in it. Okay for a point. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:You know there's, there's part of partnership between, like, a jewelry company and the team owner, which I think, for I will be you know it's crazy, I think I think it's, I think it's Justin's the one that you do for high school.
Speaker 4:They actually do the rings.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but the only difference is they put. We got a class ring.
Speaker 4:They don't put just gems, you know, like in our class rings you can put an expensive diamond, they don't think you actually pay for it.
Speaker 5:So I think Justin's actually does do stuff for the leagues too, man, but they do the white gold and the diamonds, and you know that's it.
Speaker 4:They do the real shit for them because they pay the money for it. You could have it too on your class ring if you pay the money if you got the money like that you can have it like that, you can have a blitzed out fucking class ring.
Speaker 4:But who the shit's gonna do that? Nobody, bro, you know. I mean that's a little over the top, but some people might want, some people might do that. But anyway, guys, all right, guys.
Speaker 4:So, transitioning over to the next topic, it's about that time there's there's two clips. One of them was sent, was sent by my boy here, I'm right and then the other one, which I agree with, because then it was kind of relating to what we're dealing with Personally in my family's life right now with the loss of my father. What you guys know, I've already told them about it. There's a whole web so dedicated to my pops. They know about it. But aside from that is though it was a controversial one that I'm probably gonna say for last, and that's the one about the happy birthday song and singing in the ritual, and it might be ritual, whatever the case. Like, first clip is KRS one. We're listening to his, we're gonna watch it actually and put on the screen for you guys. You're gonna watch it with us real time and we're gonna give our thoughts on it and I'm gonna go from right to left or left to right.
Speaker 4:Either way, we'll figure it out. Anyway, here's the clip here, guys, check it out, let us know what you think.
Speaker 5:Members pass. It means that something great is about to happen in your life and you need guidance from the other side. What's up, in a weird way, with Scott LaRocque pass? He's killed in the Bronx. That's when my guidance started. When you have a parent that may go, a brother, a sister, a son, it's painful to deal with, but you have someone on the other side now that you could communicate with you. I mean what a great privilege that is to have someone on the other side is outside of space and time. Appeal to that person, talk to them. Lee, leave his favorite food out, his favorite drink, leave it out. Lee. Let him know that he exists and and you and you'll see the guidance, it's an ancient, it's ancient Africans, me doing this. We never understood that, ever that. We never understood. We always know our ancestors one the other side. It just wasn't what it's physically in one foot in the spirit, one foot in the material, and we're back.
Speaker 4:So that was the clip. I'm gonna go ahead and I'll share my thoughts.
Speaker 5:I'll go first that's okay, yeah, of course.
Speaker 4:So what I got from that? And I remember when you and Jace J Vice and this to me it was, it was cool Because he knows what I'm going through personally, you guys, you guys know as well now, yeah, my dad, it wasn't easy having him not, you know, not with us anymore. So Currently me grieving with it, dealing with it right now, I was just trying to figure out how I can live my life without my biggest mentor. Here Isn't the last episode that we posted. I'm talking a slideshow about. You know. We were having a Q&A Me, my and our other co-hosts were talking and he asked me who were the two most influential people in your life?
Speaker 4:And I gave him one who wasn't personal and one who was personal, right, and the personal one was my dad. And Not having him there, man I you know. If you guys watch that episode, you'll see my. What my answer was, you know, without repeating myself here, but long story short man, not having him there has just been difficult. So for to see a video discuss about how you know we, that person still in your life and still guiding away, a Part of me believes it and wants to believe that you know I'm saying is I know that he lives on.
Speaker 4:We believe in the same thing, right, we believe in the same thing. I know you guys are. You guys are you? We share in that Belief of where they go after this, especially if they believed in God, put them first, right. But I, but my question is, because the Bible is not very it's not very clean cut about what, what you know saying what, what happens to you in that state? Right, and we briefly talked about it off the record to read, like you know, are they really allowed to? You know, come here and guide us somehow or show us a sign? Are they are there or are they in his presence in a slumber? You see what I'm saying, because the Bible doesn't really directly Tell you it's not clear about it.
Speaker 1:There you go.
Speaker 4:It's not. It's not, it's not direct about what, what their role is, you know, saying with, with us, and even if they're even able to interact with us you know I mean. So you're my wonders to the idea of okay, yeah, they, are they really here to show some guidance? Like it was beautiful what he said.
Speaker 4:Yeah what he just said. The clip was awesome. I want to believe that that's a hundred percent what it is. But is it? But is it exactly? Because that's my question? You know saying cuz, and then you have the whole Ouija board and the dark side of things and it makes you start thinking, okay, well, and it's a tannic point of view they're telling you, yeah, you can absolutely talk to that, you can absolutely talk to people you lost. And here's how you do it. You know, I'm saying and that's a little scary to me because then that's deliberately, but it's also dark there's a, there's a, there's a hidden agenda behind that one, where there's demons there.
Speaker 4:They're trying to take over any weak vessel that they can right and you're opening the door for them when you, when you Do rituals and weird crazy shit like that, right, so when you do stuff like that, that's why it's why you know, forgive him, a little alarmed or not alarmed, but a little skeptical, because you're like, well, they're opening the door in a dark way, saying they could do it, but is there another flip side of that coin, where there is a bright side to it, and decide that God does allow you? You know, I'm Saying, is there? So I guess I'm on the fence where I'm at with it is I believe it? I want to believe it. I feel like there are times in my life where I do, recently, as of the past few months after he passed, where I do feel like it's my dad guiding me and he is interfering in a positive way and showing me guidance.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, I'm saying, and I'm believing that God would allow that. It's a beautiful thing. Why wouldn't he? I'm saying how else? Because God knows how. You know he lived amongst us in the flesh, right, so he knows what our struggles were. You can't help but wonder what he allows him like that. It'd be beautiful, if he did. You know I'm saying so. Those are my thoughts, fellows. What do you guys think we're wants?
Speaker 1:to go first. My question with it is, like you know, kind of like. I thought you said like why you? Know like why wouldn't he allow it? But it also looks like it's like who. Why is it demonic that you can talk to? You know the other side like let's say it was up. You know a love when the past way. How come? Why can't you talk to? Why would God say that that's demonic To do that? You know, I mean that's, that's there's. No, it's so it Especially was a loved one.
Speaker 4:Yeah, especially was a loved one.
Speaker 1:It's just like it's so ambiguous. You know, I mean, or at least it seems that way, that you know it's like who's who, who said it. You know I mean. Or like you know saying cuz I've, I mean I Mean. I haven't seen a verse that I've in the Bible, were that I've read, that said anything like that, but then again I hadn't looked for that verse either.
Speaker 2:It probably is there, you know, but I was.
Speaker 1:That's, that's my question with it, because it's always Cuz. Like I said, it was a, you know, it was a beautiful thing that he said like, if that is, you know, possible, you know why is. Why is it bad?
Speaker 4:All right, it's good thoughts. What about you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's. Those are valid points both you know.
Speaker 3:You know, at the end of the day we don't know, like we don't know what's on the other side, and I think what I got from that video was like you know, if you zoom out of you know the actual experience, which is, you know, like I can't imagine, bro, like I, like my heart really does go out to you and your family with what happened, and, and so when something like that does actually happen, like could it?
Speaker 3:You know, in a strange way, like could it be because somebody's on a verge of like a really big blessing and needs guidance from the other side, like direct guidance, and To communicate with you know, in regards to, like you know the Ouija board and you know doing it for for evil purposes or speaking to the dead, I Really do feel, like you know there's good and evil, you know it's God and devil.
Speaker 3:I really believe in duality, both of them exist, but I really I think that the what, the devil, the devil and the evil side of things that side doesn't create. I feel God is the ultimate creator. I feel what the enemy, or what the evil one, or the devil, I feel what they all, the only thing they could do is distort. They could just like warp, manipulate what is meant for good, intended for guidance, and warp it into evil. And so I feel, in that sense, maybe communicating with the other side is like more stereotypically connected to witchcraft, sorcery or like I don't know. Some of the stuff that I'm I really don't know about or I have I don't have much experience with, honestly.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't think I'm curious to see. Yeah, I would.
Speaker 1:But to like to like, push it further. It just, you know, pushes the question further. It's like like, let's just say, you know, it was like, of course, who would we I would want to, you know, be able to communicate, you know, with? You know, I recently lost someone too. I would definitely want to communicate with them, you know, but someone, someone would probably say, why not just talk to God?
Speaker 1:you know, someone, someone someone would like, would like, would like say that you know what I mean. I can just, I can just anticipate that, you know. And then if it comes like it just becomes this, how do I say it? It's like a, like an issue that you can't scratch. Yeah, you know what I mean, right, because it's like there's I don't know. That's why it's it's harder to talk about religion and shit. It's hard Because you know it's, it's.
Speaker 4:It's so different for everybody, Right it's a very, very interesting subject to tackle, because you don't know you know what I'm saying, how the hell the reaction is going to be or how it's going to be taken, and you get mixed out. You get mixed opinions on everything and how that's and how people are going to receive it and push it, and all that you know I was in the.
Speaker 3:I was recently in a church service where this, this kind of topic was up. I was part of the message and they said it's something about how you know for us to tap in and try to connect with a loved one that has passed to the other side. That is maybe a little bit frowned upon, but if the loved one wants to connect with you and communicate with you, no one it doesn't. It's not like forbidden to not engage in that. And then also another thing from that video. What he said was on the other side, they're beyond space and time. We're stuck in a linear dimension where we're constantly moving forward time. We're limited to time, so they're beyond time. So where you are now, they can. They can speak to the you like from 16 years ago.
Speaker 1:Any point in time.
Speaker 3:They also could be speaking to the you like in 20 years from now, and then 20 years from now, andrew gets that message that needs to get it.
Speaker 2:But, so that's trippy man. Man, that's crazy though.
Speaker 3:That's like man, that's like interstellar stuff.
Speaker 4:It is interstellar in a way. It is interstellar stuff.
Speaker 3:That's a good movie too. That's a good movie too. Yeah, shout out to interstellar.
Speaker 1:No, just like the whole theory of like, what's it called like relativity and all that Like you know the point of like no return, you know what I'm saying. Like that's crazy man.
Speaker 3:Like this, yeah, so it's crazy to think about. Yeah, cause I feel our emotions also, like I feel we're spiritual creatures having a human experience here, like with.
Speaker 3:We're stuck in this dimension right now. It's temporarily, we both know it's just, you know it's a flash, our life is a flash here, but the whole being behind beyond space and time thing, it's man, I don't know. I feel if you're beyond that then like you're not limited to that and we're conditioned to be like emotionally, like our past is our past, our nows are now our future we don't know about. So we have anxiety about the future, we have worries.
Speaker 3:And regrets about the past, regrets about the past, and then we, we're in our moment. All we could do is just be in the moment and so, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4:No, no, that is interesting that you put it that way, though, but that's what it is, and I think that us not having the definitive answer is part of the debate and will always be part of the debate.
Speaker 3:Won't you agree? That's the way it is. Man who's out here, who's here saying like, okay, I got it, Like this is what happens after life Some arrogant motherfucker might do that, but you don't know that for sure.
Speaker 4:Except who is out here doing that, though he's got a point. Who is out here saying that like oh, I know I have the answer.
Speaker 1:I would just want to know, you know like, if I could have like one wish granted, just to be like to know, like what is waiting.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would be like, like what's putting you on the other side of death? Yeah, but not just. But not just like for me, you know, but just like in general like what is beyond the veil. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:No, it definitely sparks conversation and wonder you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Cause it's so. Yeah, man, that's just that's. It's one thing that I try not to think about, but I always wind up thinking about it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, no for sure. All right. Well, if you guys don't have any other thoughts on that, we'll go ahead and switch over to our last topic of the evening, which is going to be the.
Speaker 3:I've been waiting for this one, this one's eerie.
Speaker 4:It's the eerie the scary the.
Speaker 1:Halloween past.
Speaker 4:Did already. It did pass. I thought Halloween passed, though Clearly not, bro. All right guys. So we're going to watch that video, that video now, or that clip, I should say now. I'm going to transition to it so you guys can see it, and then we're going to react to it.
Speaker 2:Birthdays are actually rituals against us.
Speaker 2:Have you ever wondered where the happy birthday song originated from or why we sing it?
Speaker 2:Do you not find it strange that whenever it's time to sing happy birthday to someone, candles are lit, lights are turned off and we gather in a circle to chant, similar to that of witches' rituals? Well, there is a theory that suggests that the happy birthday song was created as a curse by fallen angels to hide a ritual that seals your fate to grow older. As many of us know and it is very well documented that humans used to live much longer than we do now, and this theory suggests that every time we sing this chant, blow out candles and make a wish on our birthdays, we are actually locking ourselves into aging more. Some believe this to be a form of population control, as the faster we grow old, the faster we die, which would help the growth rate stay steady rather than be on a high incline. Of course, this is just a theory and doesn't account for the millions of people who don't celebrate their birthdays like this, but it does make you wonder why there are some religions and practices that are completely against celebrating birthdays.
Speaker 4:What do you got? I'm a little surprised. So we're back now. Yeah, what do y'all think of that man that was? I wouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 3:I mean, right being a ritual and then you know what it goes with the power of your words, the power of your thoughts. If you age yourself, you will start aging.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my thing is where's the documentation of us live it a lot longer, because I thought that we lived a lot shorter. You know like.
Speaker 4:Really, I thought it was the Bible times where they lived to 120, 130 years old like Moses and them bro. Yeah, man, they were up there for.
Speaker 1:Well, like I heard about that, but like when you said documented, was you meaning documented in the Bible or you think documented like actual, like in human history? Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
Speaker 5:Like we're meant to live longer than our life expectancy was supposed to be Now Way longer.
Speaker 3:That's crazy.
Speaker 4:Wild right. You know, to be brief, guys, I'll go first real quick, briefly, I think there could be some truth to it, bro, you had a good point Right in the beginning of the video. Then why do we go in the circle Like candles, chant, chant a channel, chant a song, and then you blow out the candles and make a wish? No-transcript.
Speaker 1:You're blowing out the candles.
Speaker 4:Yes, bro, and you're blowing out the candles almost like signifying death in a way.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, like you're, you're, you're, like you're whipping the light out.
Speaker 4:So what did you? I mean it just it's kind of dark, bro, you think about it music was darker than anything.
Speaker 1:The music was like there's like three chords in that too. There's like it was first that it makes it chilling on purpose.
Speaker 4:Oh, like you don't even want to hear the rest of this shit like to get off Actually.
Speaker 3:I heard Prince say one time that we only have one birthday. Like, who came up with, like you know, aging ourselves making you know birthdays every year? We only have one day to birth. That's true, that's it. So if I'm constantly telling aging myself by to RK, I was you know, really, when you're born, you're one, you're not zero.
Speaker 4:Yeah or you're like nice true, you're like nine months old. Yeah, you're nine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, right, nine months old, yeah but you technically existed already for almost a year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, inside your mother's. Damn, that's true. Yeah, but in a way to we'll go ahead.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say just to touch on that because, like you've seen, like the video of the sperm hitting the egg, mm-hmm, there's that spark, mm-hmm.
Speaker 3:Like that's one.
Speaker 1:That's just crazy.
Speaker 4:So that's like Exactly when you were right there.
Speaker 3:Yo, hey, man we have man, we have one day, one day to birth.
Speaker 4:That's it one day to burn.
Speaker 3:I agree, I would see why, like with I don't know, like, if we're on the conspiracy theory side of things, think of how much like there's someone's birthday every single day of the year and think of a much like money is spent for, like you know, buying gifts for someone like the capital is inside of the market?
Speaker 1:I don't know so they basically sold us our own, our own, like celebrations. They sold us like our own or they're like selling us moments.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm in a sense like, let's say for like, for like Christmas, right, yeah, like, why did like, like? What is the? Is the Santa Claus story there? So it's so that people buy presents, mm-hmm, or is it there just a show of us? You know, I'm saying Because that's a whole other, because because Christmas just seems like, oh, mine gifts, but it's because Santa, that's, that's really what makes people you know right, but it's like what, what's what about Christmas is supposed to be?
Speaker 4:I mean I get it. No, no, 100%. That's why I feel like no, why is that a thing? It's like why? Who came with the idea in the story for Saint? Nick, that's a good point, mm-hmm and that's a funny coincidence that we're in December right now talking about this but it's the truth, man. I mean like that's something. That why? Because?
Speaker 1:you could be.
Speaker 3:I mean, you can pick any day for that it's, yeah, it's also it's also perspective too, because if like is it wrong to celebrate someone's life?
Speaker 4:No, that's true, I think.
Speaker 3:I look at it. You could do it another day, you could do it anytime any day.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we're celebrating. You were like you're breathing today. You woke up today.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like every day is worth celebrating.
Speaker 4:That's true.
Speaker 3:But you know, I get like ritualistically. How that may be, I don't know no, no, but it's funny.
Speaker 4:He's like his fear. Is this enough topic? I mean, off the record, you said something that was so treat like man. Why is it this kind of like? Sad in the way makes me like everything is fucking paying, like nothing was wholesome, like nothing was wholesome, bro, and it's like fuck, is anything wholesome? You start to think, though, and ask those questions, cuz you're like fuck, dude, like nothing, like all, everything has to be dark Bro. Nothing is safe anymore, but it's a bullshit cuz.
Speaker 1:Not only that, it's like, it's like now, it's like you can see that, like you know, you can engineer Social constructs through art. You know, even very subtly, you know like. You know, like with a, with a story about someone. You know a story, a story about a guy that picking that, that rides flying rangers giving gifts to people you know who have been good. You know I mean it sets a tone as a kid oh I gotta be good if all those gifts. So there's order right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's own for the parent. Oh, let me give Of course, that's the argument to my kids. Good, and you know I'm saying, but it ultimately feeds the market. It ultimately, you know like like, like if people stop celebrating Christmas, they would probably make a story to To remind us about Christmas and gift-giving.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know, yeah, no, no, no, no, you're on something. You're definitely on the something. That's that's, but I think that's genuinely where that all stand from. You know, I think I think that was. That was the reason for it. If we're gonna put it behind reason, behind everything, I think capitalism is allowed to do with it. Everything you were just stating has left to do with it. I honestly think the powers that be one I just control man, they want to just control. I mean, it could be wrong, it could be really broad way to just put it, but I think that a lot of it has to do with wanting to control it. And he popularized. That was interesting. Did you bring that part? You guys get that part of it to depopulate? Like that Be a way to lock in the surefire, surefire way to make sure no one live past a certain age and that they would die at a certain age. So they, they could just. I'm sorry, is that going well for you Just said.
Speaker 5:I don't want to just go to far.
Speaker 4:You know off of what you were saying. But yeah, man, so I, who knows Ultimately, who knows right? It's not really don't know.
Speaker 3:At the end of the day.
Speaker 4:We're just debating it as all it is, we just have today.
Speaker 1:That's all we know and there's no escaping either, because I mean, the whole world is you know? Yeah, it's everywhere. No, that's thanks, I mean like, I mean it did say that some don't celebrate birthdays.
Speaker 4:They did say that cultures yeah, religions they don't. And it makes you wonder why they don't. Yeah, and it's crazy, I'm saying.
Speaker 3:It makes you why if we were born literally in a different part of the world, our whole life would be completely different. Our whole, like mindset, our conditioning, our hope, maybe even religion or the things we do.
Speaker 4:How you God, yeah, yeah, like everything's kind of you got to your right. Everything is conditioned or taught to you. Damn fabric of living, bro, it's just different.
Speaker 3:All depends on where you were born, your environment it seems almost like Like we have.
Speaker 1:There's so much shit that we have mm-hmm. And it's so like distracting that we only. We're all Just like surface.
Speaker 5:Shit.
Speaker 1:You know saying like yeah you know, and no one's lot people aren't doing like you know, like the deep work that they need done. No, you know really I have like a fulfilling you know just like because, like you know, you can make all the money in the world, right, and it's crazy how some people they get all that and they're still not like fulfilled and they wind up jumping off a building and it's like I thought you had everything you know and maybe it's something deeper. That's sad.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no for sure and then you know that's probably what it was, and it does run deep like that we just don't know man, that's crazy, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, my math are going up on a little tech.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, You're good, you're good, You're good, but I was gonna ask you guys before we wrap up here is anything any final thoughts? Because we unfortunately do got a wrap up. It's gonna type is a good episode, but yeah, man, so any final thoughts you guys want to throw in there real quick before we wrap the episode up, I'll start with our guests first.
Speaker 3:Oh man, god is good, thank you for having me Thank you for the time. I'm ready for some pica leo now, and me too, bro, yeah, some food dog.
Speaker 4:We're hungry, we're all hungry.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna get some food. I know, hey man.
Speaker 4:I'm sorry I can have you do if you don't have to go to work. Brother, I would say come eat with us, man.
Speaker 1:But you know, it's all good man next time, though, right, yeah, sure.
Speaker 4:What are your final thoughts? So, brother, anything you want to tell our audience.
Speaker 1:No well, man, thank you for coming on. Man, it was great to you know, hear your, hear your perspective, experiences and dope man, I hope you'll wish you all the other success, man.
Speaker 3:You know, man, that's dope man.
Speaker 1:You've. You've done well for yourself, man. Thank you, boss.
Speaker 4:Yeah, bro, we really appreciate you now for sure. Thank you, look forward to having you. Would you do this again? Would you come on again? Yeah, of course.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Hard you like. All right, all right, j Viya putting you on the spot out JJ. He's out of the shout out to JJ. Y'all know JJ has been on the show couple times but um, yeah, I should put up, should put you on the B-roll. He's been freestyle. You. What you furious, you got the shades on, bro, he's been a freestyle freestyle.
Speaker 1:I quite right to it.
Speaker 4:He's like give me some time to write though, right? No, but anyway, guys are that being said, thank you, guys, so much for subscribing. Thank you for all of our listeners out there or viewers out there. Rumbles coming soon. We're not just you know, youtube or another platform as far as listening to us or on everything you guys use for your streaming. Check us out, fuck with us. We'll see you next week. This is been time to start you.
