When old friends reconnect, the result can be nothing short of magic. Take a seat with Our Host, AJ, Co-Host SlideShow & Special Guest Memnoc, as we traverse the soundscapes of a musical bond that has withstood the test of time and industry. Our hearts beat to the rhythm of hip-hop, & in this soulful exchange, Memnoc lays bare the journey from Lyrical brawls to Masterful Beat-Making, highlighting the pivotal role of music in his life.
Memnoc's tales paint a vivid picture of an artist's evolution, underpinned by an unshakeable friendship with Leo Legendary that's seen the rise of digital beats from the dust of mixtapes. The conversation sways from the technical dance between a producer and a sound engineer to the strategic release of singles, all while maintaining an artist's integrity in an industry brimming with competition. Each chapter peels back a layer, revealing Memnoc's transformation from battling financial woes & personal hardships to redefining his artistry with a seasoned touch and a relentless drive to grow.
Concluding on notes of humor & heartfelt reflection, we swap stories about the dynamic shift in music promotion from CDs to digital streams, and the resonance of music across generations & genres. Join us as we celebrate the resilience that turns struggles into symphonies and the enduring power of friendship that fuels our creative fires. This isn't just an episode; it's a testament to the life-changing force of music & the bonds that make us stronger.
~Special Guest: Memnoc (@Memnoc91)
*Musical Journey With Memnoc
*Decades of Friendship & Creativity
*Producer Vs. Engineer
*Studio Collaboration & Music Projects
*Finding Inspiration & Motivation Through Music
*Promoting Music
*Music Promotion in the Digital Age
*Reflecting on Music & Changing Times
*Evolution of Music
*Personal Growth Through Music
*Personal Testimony & Growth
*Rap Beef & Respectful Boundaries
*Freestyle Rap
*Intro Beat Credit: Memnoc (Picasso)*
*Outro Beat Credit: Memnoc (Picasso)*
When old friends reconnect, the result can be nothing short of magic. Take a seat with Our Host, AJ, Co-Host SlideShow & Special Guest Memnoc, as we traverse the soundscapes of a musical bond that has withstood the test of time and industry. Our hearts beat to the rhythm of hip-hop, & in this soulful exchange, Memnoc lays bare the journey from Lyrical brawls to Masterful Beat-Making, highlighting the pivotal role of music in his life.
Memnoc's tales paint a vivid picture of an artist's evolution, underpinned by an unshakeable friendship with Leo Legendary that's seen the rise of digital beats from the dust of mixtapes. The conversation sways from the technical dance between a producer and a sound engineer to the strategic release of singles, all while maintaining an artist's integrity in an industry brimming with competition. Each chapter peels back a layer, revealing Memnoc's transformation from battling financial woes & personal hardships to redefining his artistry with a seasoned touch and a relentless drive to grow.
Concluding on notes of humor & heartfelt reflection, we swap stories about the dynamic shift in music promotion from CDs to digital streams, and the resonance of music across generations & genres. Join us as we celebrate the resilience that turns struggles into symphonies and the enduring power of friendship that fuels our creative fires. This isn't just an episode; it's a testament to the life-changing force of music & the bonds that make us stronger.
~Special Guest: Memnoc (@Memnoc91)
*Musical Journey With Memnoc
*Decades of Friendship & Creativity
*Producer Vs. Engineer
*Studio Collaboration & Music Projects
*Finding Inspiration & Motivation Through Music
*Promoting Music
*Music Promotion in the Digital Age
*Reflecting on Music & Changing Times
*Evolution of Music
*Personal Growth Through Music
*Personal Testimony & Growth
*Rap Beef & Respectful Boundaries
*Freestyle Rap
*Intro Beat Credit: Memnoc (Picasso)*
*Outro Beat Credit: Memnoc (Picasso)*
Before you take off, sir, what's up? I need you. I need you. I didn't even put you on the spot, bro. You gotta spend a freestyle for us man. I need a beat or something, Yo you can pick one out, brother, you got the lock. I'm gonna show me the lock up, bro. No, you didn't. I had to do it, bro, I gotta do it.
Speaker 2:I used to be that guy, bro, that I was freestyle.
Speaker 1:You still that guy? No, fuck that.
Speaker 2:I'll perform and I'll be like, throw me words. I'll tell the crowd to throw me words.
Speaker 1:Oh, you were one of those. You still that guy, bro, and welcome back to the. Conversation Never Ends. This is Timeless Talk. I am your host, aj and man. Today's a very, very special episode of Timeless Talk. Put y'all back there, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right. Hey, quiet down y'all. Quiet down y'all. All right, I gotta shut up man.
Speaker 1:So I gotta shut the fuck up now. Hold on, bro. Today, man, as always, you gotta slide your over to my right. I'll give you a proper review intro in a second. But of course, we gotta give this guest a shout out, because this guest is special. I mean, don't get me wrong, we have a lot of special guests on this show. You know what I'm saying, Don't get me wrong. Everybody's a special guest that comes out on Timeless Talk, but this guy in particular, go way back with him. You know what I'm saying. We have a history man. I've known this dude since 2011. I think it was 2010. So we go way back. Same Rick, fan of his music man. He's got some projects coming up. My boy is just a diamond in the rough, ready to shine man. So we got Mem knock. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh. The crowd loves you. They know who you are. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you, thank you, you deserve it, bro, thank you, thank you. We're about. We're about ovations in this place, bro. You know what I'm saying, so not frugal.
Speaker 3:Thanks for being here. My boy Appreciate it. Man, thank you, appreciate you, thank you so much.
Speaker 2:No, thank you bro.
Speaker 1:So, before we get into it, I feel like we got to give. We got to give a Mr Slideshow. He's a. We got to do it bro, hold on wait.
Speaker 2:We have a tradition here. There's a tradition, you're right.
Speaker 1:I was blue right past it. Bro, I feel bad because my calls would have felt type of way if I didn't do this for him. But to my right, we got Slideshow.
Speaker 2:I feel like a little man. Yeah, you just feel like it's. Ah, you just woke up, now All right cool.
Speaker 3:That's a signature. Now we can start.
Speaker 1:It's a signature, Now we can start officially. So you know Memnok, we know you rap.
Speaker 3:Right right.
Speaker 1:We feel like I want our audience to get to know you, if they don't know you already. You know I'm going to ask you some questions, bro. First we'll kind of do an interview portion of the episode first. You know what I'm saying. We'll get into what's going on in your life, what projects you got going, all that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Let's do it All right, bro, let's start off with the basics. Man, you know I know the answers to this question, but they don't. How long have you been rapping for and what got you? If you can be brief about it, give them a brief explanation as to what got you into this in the first place and what made you passionate about it.
Speaker 2:So rapping, if we're talking about not recording music, I've been doing it this year. We're going about 21 years because I started writing in 2003. And then making music was 2004. I was like 13 years old, and so this year will be 20 years. I've been recording music 20 years?
Speaker 1:Yeah, damn, that's two decades bro.
Speaker 2:That's crazy man. That makes me feel old as fuck bro.
Speaker 3:But you make beats too, right, I do yeah. All right, because I can't tell the ones that we've used. I can't tell if it's you or JJ.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I can't blow past it, because that beat. Y'all just heard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I produced that.
Speaker 1:I produced that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, producing though, I've done it. I used to mess around when I was back in 2011, 2012, because Leo Legendary, but I took it serious, legit trying to perfect it in 2020. Ok, so I've only really been producing legit. It's about to be four years this year.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, yeah, yeah, and I've dropped a couple projects already.
Speaker 2:That shit was a dope lane to fall in, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, definitely, most definitely, bro, and it just made you. Now you feel like you're in a different place as far as sound wise, where you want to go with it right, because I know you different. Yeah, as an artist, you've grown Well, definitely.
Speaker 2:Producing it. Honestly, bro, on some bullshit, decided it was a gift because it taught me to view when it comes to rapping and working on projects. Producing taught me a lot of balance and patience, because as a producer, you can't make bullshit out of sound.
Speaker 3:People don't fuck with you automatically.
Speaker 2:As a rapper, you can use the excuse of choosing a dope beat and then having mediocre rap.
Speaker 3:Trash lyrics, because either they're going to fuck with your lyrics or they're going to fuck with it.
Speaker 1:The beat, yeah, and I noticed that people tend to latch on to one or the other. You know what I'm saying, so you want it both. You want to captivate.
Speaker 2:Now making music. It's like I want to treat it like a production album. Everything has to be solid, even the raps At least to my point of view and shit like that.
Speaker 1:And you want to grasp their attention on two levels.
Speaker 2:You don't want to just be right. You want to have their attention on you know.
Speaker 1:I want the beat to captivate you or to capture you, and I want my voice to hold you, to keep you.
Speaker 2:Definitely, bro, to keep you right. Yeah, yeah, so I know that. Shout out to all the producers. Man, you guys are underrated as fuck.
Speaker 1:You're self included bro.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, hey, this hand clap is for a couple different things.
Speaker 1:All right, it's for that and it's also for the intro. Beat, bro. Yes.
Speaker 2:Because you did.
Speaker 1:I mean thank you for it. Like loaning that to us. Shout out to.
Speaker 2:Niles, he was actually on that beat, it was produced for him and it featured me on it and that was probably one of the first tracks. We dropped that in 2021. And that was like the first tracks. I had actually a kind of a major stream on it on Spotify.
Speaker 1:It stuck with me, bro. It kind of blew up a little bit.
Speaker 2:And it was unexpected too, because I saw that beat. I remember I made it, it was fun, and then me and Niles were like chopping it up and he was looking for some beats and I shot him that recorded it, sent it back and then I recorded my verse and boom, like that shit, that shit kind of made a mark for sure?
Speaker 1:No, it did.
Speaker 2:It definitely did, bro Shout out to a Try Called Quest. That's actually a sample, that Q-Tip actually originally did. That's just hard, bro, I can't take the credit of finding that sample by myself yeah. He said Q-Tip. That's the Benita Apple Bomb. It's from Q-Tip. It's from Q-Tip. A Try Called Quest is called Benita Apple Bomb.
Speaker 3:But the beat's different.
Speaker 2:Here's more really mellow and smooth and shit. Q-tip always had that.
Speaker 1:My boy. Ok, so we've got to give you a quick little background. So the reason why he froze for a second when you said Q-Tip? Because, fun fact bro, the very first third co-host that we had his name was Q.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, and he called Q-Tip. Oh, you did Like it was a joke.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, as a matter of fact, his bro's Color ID picture was a box of Q-Tips bro so it's like
Speaker 2:yo, it was meant to be.
Speaker 1:It was meant to be, bro. It's just funny how that panned up, bro, Because you know it's fucking hot.
Speaker 2:Exactly, they look you up on Spotify.
Speaker 3:Are you on Apple Music too?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm on all platforms, for sure.
Speaker 3:So how would they be able to listen to your?
Speaker 2:music you can I mean you can If you follow me on Instagram. It's a better way to look it up, because if you click the link on my bio, it has all the streaming platforms. So what? Anybody has Apple, spotify, youtube, dazzar, fucking Pandora, whatever you can find it on.
Speaker 1:It's a lot easier to look at.
Speaker 2:You got everything streaming right, yeah, or you could just type it. Man, I'm probably the only guy with that name.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So if you type it in, it'll be the first one to pop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, yeah, man. So you know that's dope bro, like you know. I know that you've been in the game for a while. So let me ask you this, man, because you know the sound obviously has been changed since your days of. Moonlight with Leo Legendary right.
Speaker 1:So what you're going to have on the show eventually too as well. He's up next at some point. But yeah, man, so when you were doing music with Moonlight, you sound substantially different from then to now. Why do you think you changed as an artist? Do you think you did that because you felt you weren't getting enough attraction and attention the way you wanted it, or do you feel like that was just a natural evolution of you as an artist?
Speaker 2:Definitely evolution. I think it has a lot to do with life experiences, Because back then it was more inspiration, Like I was just a student of the game back then. So I had a lot of inspirations, Like atmosphere was a huge.
Speaker 1:I was about to say, yeah, you could hear a lot of heavily influenced ones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, atmosphere I mean, he was definitely someone that spoke through me and you're young, bro, Like you kind of just sound like a product of your environment. He was a big product of my environment.
Speaker 1:Facts, but, as, like you know, that's why he inspired you so much.
Speaker 2:Right. So as you get older you go through a lot of struggles in life. Everybody has their time, you know what I mean. But I started to really kind of use every ingredient that inspired me and create my own recipe and now it's like more of the real me, but it really stands for. More of a sounds real, more like darker, if you would say.
Speaker 3:I mean at least the most recent music.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I think his experience is that kind of molded me. That's a great fucking question, Andrew.
Speaker 1:I really appreciate that. Bro Got a few of those. You know the struck my own horn here. But, anyway, no, but yeah, man, I'm glad to hear that. It's cool. It's a good explanation as to how you got to that point, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I know that now that when you ventured into the whole production aspect of you making you know rapping and all that, obviously we know you can kill it man.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. We know, we already know you. You're a fucking beast on the tracks you know what I'm saying I appreciate that and I mean that from the heart man, and I know it may come off as a biased opinion, but anybody that knows real hip hop and hears that knows you got something.
Speaker 2:No, you've always been a listener, bro, like that's for sure a fact that you've always been supportive. I mean, we were just talking about it before this. You have projects that I don't even have anymore.
Speaker 1:Fake big things.
Speaker 2:I legit just asked you like yo, can I get that Moonlight?
Speaker 3:Just you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:He said can I have that back, bro? Legit right.
Speaker 3:Before bro, no cap. No cap before the show Just right now.
Speaker 1:Before the show bro off the record, he was just like hey, man, I was just talking to Leo about this the night. Bro, you need to give me that project.
Speaker 3:Can I have that back right now? I have them all, bro.
Speaker 1:Like I got you bro, I'll send it to you. I got everything. I keep electronic ebooks and everything man.
Speaker 3:Talk about it on somebody that believes in how y'all balance off of each other.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, because I mean, like I said, bro, I've always kept it real with him. You know what I'm saying. I've always been real with you, I've always been critical and gave you an honest opinion.
Speaker 2:You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying Honest. I've always kept it a buck with him because he's always kept it a buck with me. So if a graphic designer or the logo I made or a cover I made for him wasn't right, but nah, bro, that ain't it, it's nice, but that's not what I had in mind and I never got asked her about it. I just wished it because you know what? It's not just my vision, but it's the artist's vision as well. You know what I'm saying? Like they want it, they have to flow with their music and I kind of tell them I always like to hear it before everybody else, so I can get an idea of how I want the cover to turn out looking, so it can match the vibe of this music.
Speaker 1:You just make sense. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:As far as it does. Yeah, so you know what I'm trying to say. You guys said that you go back to 2011,. But how exactly did you guys meet, oh?
Speaker 1:man. We met through a homie.
Speaker 2:Yeah we met through a homie that we both actually went to high school with. He was an SMC that's how his name is Dolly but I met him prior to him. But I met him through a homie called SB and you know I found out he made music, he fuck with me and whatnot, and then from there we did a local backyard boogie show and it was. I forgot what it was, but it was real cold that day, bro.
Speaker 2:It was fucking cold that day, bro, and that's when I met him and we chopped it up and I found out because a homie Ness was rocking like a Miners cut shirt when I met him Back then.
Speaker 1:That was the brand back then.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were doing clothings and shit Like clothing line called Miners Cut. So, we chopped it up. And then he did a logo on Facebook, because Facebook is what we had at the time and he did the logo for Ness and I hit him up. I was like yo, can you do one for my name? He hit me up, he did one, we chopped it up, and then I was working on a mixtape called Blood Diamond in 2012. And that's when you created my cover.
Speaker 1:Yeah for the front and back cover, which I'll put on the screen for you guys to see, above our head right now. Man, yeah, that's the. I still have it.
Speaker 2:It's like a show to him. Yeah, man.
Speaker 1:I still, so that what you guys see above me right now that's the album cover he's talking about. Our mixtape cover is basically a good.
Speaker 2:It was a mixtape.
Speaker 1:It was a mixtape cover you know what I'm saying and the front and back. I did the front and back for him, and then I put an old image of when we first met up there too. Man, that's crazy, Bro. We go back. Yeah, we go way back.
Speaker 2:It was cool. We go back for show.
Speaker 1:You know. So the history's there.
Speaker 3:OK yeah, y'all pushing over a decade now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah almost, yeah, working on two. Yeah, it's working on two decades now.
Speaker 2:Man, it's a long time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, that's a long time, yeah, man. So my thing with you, miles, and all right. So now let me ask you the differences between being a rap artist or a hip hop artist and writing your shit. Obviously, when you make a beat, is it similar or is it different? What are the differences? They're different, right? Like? Obviously, when you're making a melody, it's different than writing a rhyme, right? Yeah, clearly yeah, as far as mechanically goes, I guess not in any physical sense. But my question, I guess, I guess what I'm trying to say is how was that transition for you? Was it? Was it? Was it challenging? Was it like where did it just come?
Speaker 2:like second nature it was it was more fun, like when I first.
Speaker 1:Because I remember you would just fuck around something, Bro. I fucked around and made this. What do you think?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you're talking about beats, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when I first started it was 2020. And like I just I was just having fun with it, like I was kind of more studying the program of how it worked, and you didn't make some playful beats back in 2013, too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did, I did, you did fuck around and show me some stuff, but it was like there's like making beats and then there's mixing.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So my thing is like I made the beats, it was fun for the homies and shit. We were all like faded or whatever. But then when it came to really like trying to, like you know, engage an audience, I was. I was kind of studying it, like I was doing my fun with it. But I was learning, like, ok, you can do this. Oh fuck, I got to work the drum this way, I got to mix the snare this way, the hat this way, and I would show like the homies that produce and I would get, like you know, honest opinions about it. And I wouldn't take it to fault bro. I was like, ok, what I got to do to go back, it was just having fun.
Speaker 2:And then, once it was until I did anime and heartbreaks. It was the first beat tape that I was like this is going to be dope, because I finally started learning how to master the sound. Because you want to hear a beat, you want that shit to crank, where you turn it full volume and nothing breaks. That's that's what I did. And and then from there it just, it, just, it just went on, bro. Like 1992 came out, then I did 93 gold with Nappy High and that's it. And then producing some beats for like a couple, like local LA artists and shit like that, that kind of like damn doors and it kind of one thing at another, kind of stuff Like a step.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the format is so different from rapping though, because rapping is more like man. It's such a format of how I write it. I've been using the same like technique and shit, but producing it. So it's fun, bro. Like, yeah, you find it. You you go through Records and shit or you find samples and you're like man, I know what I can do with that, but people don't know. They hear a drum in the snare, but if I'm that drum, you're clicking drums like dude. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:Try to find that. Then you find that drum you want and then you got to mix it. That's how, like the high ends, the low ends, the frequencies, to really hit it how you want it. You just knew that that drum had a potential. Same thing with the snare is more science to it, bro.
Speaker 1:They, rather than just get it together and loop it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I learned that because I, out you know working. I'm the type of rapper where I worked with producers like. I dropped albums with one producer like moonlight was my home. He's a legendary.
Speaker 2:I've done music music with that guy since 2007 and so I've always seen how a producer works same thing with nappy, same thing with JJ. So I took kind of like that, that inspiration is like okay, like I see how I see what they do because I will watch them make beats on the spot. Well, I would sit there and write and I kind of like inspired me, like okay, I really got to take my time with this shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and make it work and find my own style.
Speaker 2:That's finally did, bro like 1992 was the one where I found the style with it Like yeah, I was gonna say that.
Speaker 1:So with your projects right, Each one kind of shows your evolution to slightly changing. Yeah sound was changing, bro yeah definitely, definitely. It's kind of like a little timeline for it. It is man.
Speaker 2:It is. That's why, with the production, like when I dropped like a Beat tape album, I started this wave called the 90 series. So the first one was called 1991 and then I did 1992 and the 93 gold with nappy. And the reason why we called it 93 gold because he does color series when he drops his instrumental albums, like he did green yellow. And then we got together we're like let's do 93 gold. It fucking works.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's hard. Yes, yes, calling me. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's an api, bro, he's actually he's actually dropping a project Instrumental project with some features on it, called burgundy, that shit.
Speaker 1:I can't wait. That's a dope color.
Speaker 2:That's color burgundy man. Yes, yes, that's cool bro. Yes, sir.
Speaker 1:I like that man. You know what, bro Hearing? That too, I was gonna ask you. So what? Some of the, some of the leads to my next question, actually Some of the some of the struggles that you went through with producing right. I know that once you produce it or you make in this case, producers make beats right.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And then engineers or engineers those are the guys that help mix it right to do. Producers do that as well.
Speaker 2:Um, I think they give input.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, for sure You're hearing how they mix it right and then you're like wait, that's not right, do that.
Speaker 2:I mean a producer. He basically mixes in engineers his own shit when he makes beats, okay, but then when you go to recording process, where the engineer I mean it's all perception, like however you want it to look at, like some people just like they take the beat as is or They'll send the stems and then the engineer will mix it. Not change it, but mix it to the quality of your vocals. Okay, because the vocals an instrument too. Yeah, so it's, it's all that. But some people just get the beat, record the vocals over it.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Some people would like get the stems, and the producer just works this magic while you're recording your vocals on there.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, okay, so, and then it's on my follow-up question to go with that. It's like a two-parter question, I guess. So you answered that and then my other question to go with it Thank you for being thorough with that, bro which is Did you have any issues With any engineers? That you obviously, because I feel like when you get more than one head on a beat that's why I said when you got, when you got I feel like when you have duo producers making one beat, there has to be clashes, right, like a brother doesn't sound right with the fuck are you doing now, bro? I had this in mind. Now, bro, this is gonna hit this way. Trust me, is there is every arguments like that, or did you ever have to kind of siphon through? Do you have any, maybe any stories when you dealt with, maybe, if not another producer, an engineer that you might have bumped heads with or just had a hard Disagreements with?
Speaker 1:engineer, most definitely you don't got to send your names if you don't want no.
Speaker 2:Like like, for those that don't know, if you fuck with my music, you know there's like the last album I rap, album I drop, was 2021 and I took a like hiatus on that shit, like taking a break because you know, like, as I told you I I started producing so I really wanted the sound like it taught me, you got to make it how you want it and how you really envision it right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I get people work with what they can. You know, because money gets involved. You got to pay people. You know I'm saying, but with me, thank God that I have a decent job enough to be able to afford.
Speaker 2:Yeah now, you know, I I took it more serious and what took me long to release music was because I needed to find the right engineer. Because a lot of, a lot of times, like, I'll meet up certain engineers and I'll record a record with the vision I had and, let's say, I wanted to wrap a monotone voice with a really good quality they couldn't do it and they'll tell me oh, it sounds like, it sounds better, like this I'm like I'm not paying you.
Speaker 3:They can't see the vision right.
Speaker 1:I don't care what you think, I'm not paying you to see you had that issue with that. Yeah, give me your vision.
Speaker 3:You're crazy to give me my vision, bro.
Speaker 2:Like, execute that and I've gone in harsh arguments role like really harsh arguments in the studio, like fist fights almost, because you know some, some engineers, you know it's an art to to be an engineer, like shout out to all the engineers it's a fucking art and it's patience is the most patience thing to do because it's not your vision.
Speaker 2:Yeah you're working there you're making somebody else's yeah so so it's like a lot of engineers that I ran across. I noticed that they were just there for the check. They didn't really care about my vision.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, and that's why I wanted to ask you this, because I had a feeling that was gonna be a issue, bro yeah so you ran into someone that just didn't yeah, I mean I ran to a lot.
Speaker 2:I went through at least ten engineers and you know it's not throwing shades at them, you know, it's just the way they work in the way I work. Then I ran into, finally I found an engineer shout out to DJ Hopper. You know he's a well-known DJ, producer, label owner and it's crazy, it ended off one day because the way I record, bro, like you have to book sessions to record right at a studio, me, my job that I work at. I know the time I go in, I don't know the time I get out.
Speaker 2:So the time the time that I do have is like I'm a last-minute type of guy. So I looked up broken complex, shout out to broken complex, and I was like, fuck, they might be expensive.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that DJ Hopper was the one that's gonna answer the phone. He answered the phone and he was like what's up is DJ Hopper? And I was like what the fuck that's you? Bro, like this dude, this dude produced like crazy fucking songs. You know, like for logic, for fucking dizzy, right, like hmm, atmosphere. You know, I'm saying like names, bro, he's dope, fucking reverie, all them, all them cats and and um. And so he was like yeah, pull through bro. I was like really, you can book me right now. Yeah, pull through.
Speaker 2:We met up, recorded a couple tracks. I was like yo, I heard the mixing and I was like I'm not feeling it. And then, but but he, he's the type bro, like he loves his job so much that he was like bro, send it to me, like I Will send him like seven different fucking times, like 77 different versions and with love, that motherfucker will be in there. Like this is what you want. What sound do you want? He was I don't even think it's a mixing, bro, I think it's a sound. You want, what's, how do you want? So I gave him a couple of references of what I wanted.
Speaker 1:That's cool. He respects you, but he respects your vision, bro, man, he's an artist, bro like dang.
Speaker 2:That's the first engineer, and he's the first engineer that I met, bro that really, really wanted me, wanted to capture what I wanted.
Speaker 1:How do you meet these people, bro? Do you just reach out to him randomly? Yeah, well, I mean for that studio you.
Speaker 2:I went online I was like, okay, I work in some valley. What's close to some valley? That a studio I saw, broken, complex, which that's a really that's a known name. You know, and I was like what they're in no Hollywood, so I caught thinking it was somebody right him. It was him, I'm glad to say. I built a good bond with him, bro.
Speaker 3:So the last important he's like it's me, he's like, no, it's not.
Speaker 2:Rip it. When I found out it was him you like what you answer your own phone yeah and he's such a. He's such a cool guy. I got too expensive by fire man, he's such a humble do bro. He just loves hip-hop, he loves music, he loves I believe it.
Speaker 1:I mean he answers his own phone bro.
Speaker 2:Humble right there, you know, shout out to him.
Speaker 1:That's cool.
Speaker 2:I'm not much love and respect for him for giving me the vision that I want with the last singles that I've dropped, and In this you know what he's gonna be part of your success.
Speaker 1:So into that. And to the other producer no shit, I'm sorry, into that other. To that other engineer no shade, but I gotta say it, bro, congratulations.
Speaker 2:You played yourself.
Speaker 1:I just say, bro, shots fired. That's how we do around here, bro. I don't hold on that, but it is what it is like. You missed out on opportunity, bro, to help out some way. It's gonna grow and be large shout out, shout out to him, man, he's.
Speaker 2:He's definitely the reason why I'm working on this new project. I got going on, bro, finally man, after, like, it's about to be three years this year.
Speaker 3:I dropped a rap album. You know what I mean? Yeah, but held on to the same dream, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's crazy, bro, because I kept the momentum. It's funny because since I haven't dropped the rap album, but I've done more production. I focus more on producing and I got better at that, but now I'd never lost the momentum. If everything, I've gained more revenue mm-hmm. I got gained more revenue just by producing alone because, they knew I spit. You know they knew they knew I rap, and now dropping little singles here and there kind of kept a little bit of the momentum going. I don't know but, it's working for show bro.
Speaker 1:No, I feel you, bro. Just whatever you do, make sure that for the right person comes to you offer your record deal.
Speaker 3:You don't accept it if it's not for me.
Speaker 1:I love it, bro. I don't think Usually when I jump in this voice some people are like what the fuck does that mean?
Speaker 3:Fuckin'.
Speaker 2:Andrew bro.
Speaker 1:I had to do it bro.
Speaker 3:It's like the real logic skits.
Speaker 2:It's like logic now is your time. I feel like you're my cellmate, bro. It's like hey, you're gonna sign with us? Manbuck, it really makes sense.
Speaker 1:See, if that happens, you don't sign with that motherfucker.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think. I think I'm old enough to know.
Speaker 1:Now the motherfucker, come talking to you sound like this. You might want to give him a chance. I'm like, hey, bro, you're not funny shit. Right, I must sign with you if you're not under funny shit.
Speaker 2:That's like some quasi motor shit.
Speaker 3:It really is round like you sign up with looney tunes.
Speaker 1:I just I don't want to sign a contract with me. I just wanted to show you that it's pretty cool the board comes with.
Speaker 2:That's crazy yeah man.
Speaker 1:But anyway, back to back to the back to our interview, man, we're our discussion here, so that that's the. Those are the interactions that you had, right, right, okay, so I know, I know now currently you're working on a new project, right, mm-hmm? Is there anything at all that you could share with us, that you could show us as a new project, or do you want to keep it all under wraps? Is there any timeless talk exclusives that we could get? Is there a possibility?
Speaker 2:Like, what are you through, like my phone or some shit? Yeah, bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll get right here to the board bro.
Speaker 3:That's crazy. Yes, sir, or you can't just pull it up, since you already hooked up.
Speaker 1:I could do that, but I know he has all. He has all the yes, all the shit is not released. I got the stuff that was released and I do got a few things that my boy has sent me. You got, I got a few things that you sent me, you know.
Speaker 2:Um, this is who I can see. I could show you like a Like a snippet of a of a hook. That's cool.
Speaker 1:If you're down, whatever you're willing to share with us, bro, you're gonna hear here first on time is talk, guys, and only here you heard it first and this is only. This is all you're gonna get to the actual album drops right. There's only until the album drops, definitely.
Speaker 2:Whatever I got this one, it's a hook. It's not even me on it yet. Well, let's look at the first book. Hook up with the Bluetooth so we hear it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no doubt, let me see you know I'm saying, but in the meantime man slideshow, is there anything you want to ask Memnock here and any questions you got from before what we do this?
Speaker 3:I was gonna ask have you and JJ just got to getting done like a whole album before, or?
Speaker 2:yes, we did it did actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah, overdo was back in 2017, he, like he was. He got a program called. What was it? Fuck, what was that program called? I cannot believe I forgot it. Between them, oh, the B program that he used to produce on and I can't reason no, it's not reason.
Speaker 1:Ableton.
Speaker 2:Ableton, there you go. He was like cooking a beats a lot bro, like he was fucking with some local homies and shit, and I was like yo, this shit is fired. Oh yeah, and that's when I started really getting back into it with the music thing and I hit them up and I was like, fuck, let's do a novel and we will meet up in my garage, bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro. And then we recorded in my old room, recorded actually at the older that in my old, my old fucking I used to stay in. This is a this little home complex. Actually I actually live up the street Roecastor Pro 2 brother.
Speaker 2:Roecastor Pro 2 shit, I don't even think it's popping up, bro. I mean, we make it rediscover. But but like yeah, like we, we will meet up bro and just and just work on it, man and next you know, we had her, we had our photo, our photo taken and shit like that. Andrew did the cover, the back cover.
Speaker 1:It was a little collaborative effort bro.
Speaker 3:That's like when you get like Two of the hottest artists out, like J Cole and Kendrick together. That's what it felt like, man.
Speaker 2:At that time you know it's funny like social media wasn't even as active as it is now, with the things that you can do. You know, now you can post it real, you can film on your phone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, make it really good. We didn't really know that still. You know, we were still kind of like we were old school, but no, it was just it was cool when you had like the minds you know, all gathering and being there and being like yo.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:It was just cool to have local legends, man, you know, same pair up. Let's get together One of those collaborative efforts, man, that was a fun album for sure. Man, that's amazing.
Speaker 2:That's my brother, bro, you know so this one, this one I mean it's called Let Me Know and it's featuring K Franklin. He's actually been on a couple of Nappy High's projects. He was on our 93 Gold Project featuring Maggie King. This guy can sing his fucking ass off.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he's hearing it here first.
Speaker 2:Yeah he's done tracks with Joyce Rice, I think, dom Kennedy and shit like that I think. I'm not sure. Don't quote me, but Well, let's hear it. Bro, I'll show you a little. It's produced by Nappy High as well.
Speaker 3:I can see them playing this in a club. Thank you, man, it's like that.
Speaker 2:Dilla vibe. You know what I mean. We're in some pieces of Dilla. Yeah, that beat fired too, though. Thank you, bro, that's hard bro.
Speaker 1:I like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's some shit, that's going to be on the project for the show. I just got to finish recording that and you know. But we got some shit on the vote, bro, like it's exciting.
Speaker 1:Bro, that's so smooth man. No doubt bro. Bro that's man. You know what man? And I do want to say something. I don't want you thinking I'm listening to my bad If you see me looking at my phone a couple of times.
Speaker 2:I have podcast etiquette.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's just me and my notes are jotting something down.
Speaker 3:You know you guys are minding my. If I look at mine, I'm about to say I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry about my own, I'm sorry about my own professional hey man, it's all of us Fucking Super Bowl. It's all of us, and I've seen you looking to hey?
Speaker 1:just for fun fact, we're recording this on Super Bowl Sunday.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:You know she loves to remember not for being here during that and then, you know, as I put it on over here in the corner, so we at least got a got a night where it was going on.
Speaker 3:We see what's going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but anyway, man, back to the back to the feature, though, back to what's going on. That was clean, man, I love that. Um, I'm going to ask you this, bro what is your inspiration? What keeps you moving, bro? What keeps you motivated on those days especially? And what? And also to tie in that, what kind of advice can you give those out here that are struggling with the same thing? The motivation to keep on going, like I always, you know, I always try to encourage you by telling you you know, the right ears haven't heard you yet, and now that your streaming numbers are going up, the right ears are starting to finally hear you.
Speaker 2:You're talking like music or life.
Speaker 1:Music music.
Speaker 2:Uh pain bro For sure, Music in particular.
Speaker 1:We'll go to life in a second, but I'm because this is your forte music bro. Musically what keeps you pain motivated? Pain is pain, Pain, pain Outlet. So it's an outlet Outlet stress relief for you, would you say therapeutic.
Speaker 2:It's like, yeah, it's like it's either paying that much for a therapist or kind of just like self, self. Self-relief.
Speaker 1:I like it though. It's a nice healthy outlet for you. Yeah, exactly. Without breaking your wallet or your pockets. You're just doing something, You're putting in something that's, you know, lucrative, you know.
Speaker 2:It's definitely been. I mean, I asked myself this question, like why do I still do this shit? But I don't know, man. I mean it's I'm glad you still do it, bro. It's made me feel, it's always made me feel like something, bro, like you know what I mean. There's no other talent I have. Then, then, then this this is all I got aside from my kids and my family. This is all like I got from my sanity, and pain is the ultimate form of what I do.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And man, it controls the sanity. It controls the sanity, I don't want to say the insanity, but it controls you and keeps you sane, bro through it all Right, right, right, and one of the things I was going to tell you, man, it's admirable to see the things you've been through, bro, without putting too much of your business out there. Right, my boy has been through it, man, I know you have too, but I feel like we all have in different ways.
Speaker 2:We all have our grind. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:But if there's anything you guys could take from that, I want to add to what Memdok just said don't let anybody tell you you can't do something in this world, and then don't let anybody say that, especially if it's a healthy outlet, that you can't use that as therapy to help you get through whatever it is you're calling.
Speaker 2:Use that as fuel Exactly.
Speaker 3:That part too. Definitely. You know. Once you guys were saying just a second ago I was going to say you know, you might seem like you know, like you're saying that's all you have in your family and stuff like that, but then you know how somebody could be listening to a song and they're like dang bro. I felt that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So it's like, even though you're not going through the same situation as somebody else, it's still healing them the same way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's crazy to say that, because it's like I was actually talking to my daughter about this when we were on the way here, like we're talking about music and I think music is like the best form of universal language, bro, it really is I like it, it is. You know what I mean. Because even like it connects everybody, it does, bro, because all it takes is all frequencies, man.
Speaker 3:We're frequency based human beings.
Speaker 2:Bro, yeah, bro, you know, and and and you know, all it takes is a sound to really engage you, to want to hear more. You know what I mean. That's where that's where it stands from finding the right engineer for me.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like you know, like my, you know, a voice is another instrument. So to me it's like, if you're going to hear the production and you like it, I really want you to enjoy my vocals. As to the people that fuck with me or support the music that I do, so that way, when you like what you hear, you're going to want to hear what I say. You know as as is supposed to, like just throwing it on the record, having some bullshit ass mixed to it, and that's it.
Speaker 1:I want you to and there's not much effort there. I feel like when you do that, it's kind of like you just definitely invest and let yourself talk like to me, like like I'm.
Speaker 2:That's the next step I'm trying to do is, like, learn how to engineer, and, and and actually start mixing my own vocals Like do it yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know. But it takes dedication. Man Like that, shit is not easy. Like the engineers really, really go through because everybody's voice is different, everybody's, you know, style is different, how they want to sound, what they want from it, and that's just crazy, bro, like I've had talks with, like DJ Hoppa about it. Yeah, yeah, bro, like that's why. That's why when we record, he'll record me, base maybe on his last session.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm not. I'm not feeling that bro, like like what was it the last single we dropped? He sent me like seven different versions, bro, oh shit. Yeah, Like you know, and as much as I want to just keep that record and enjoy and show the homies. I was like nah man, it really taught me like no, bro, this really is. If I make a face like this, I don't know, like before, the old me would be like fuck it yeah.
Speaker 3:Fuck it, I'm gonna drop it how it is, yeah.
Speaker 2:Now it's more like nah, man, I gotta be honest with y'all. I'm sorry to hurt feelings, or it always apologized to the engineers. I'm like. I'm sorry, bro, Like, but I don't. But he's like, nah, whatever you want, dog Like, what do you want?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, send it to me and I'm happy. And now I could hear the song 10 years down the line and I'll be happy with it. Yeah, as is like something like like hearing something that I wasn't really happy with it, yeah, and it's like another fucking record.
Speaker 1:Exactly. And then you're like you know what, yeah, they ended up being, or the unexpected thing you wouldn't expect, right, yeah, because there's a lot of songs that I've done that I'm like fuck.
Speaker 2:If I would have had the right mix to it, man, that shit would have been more captive.
Speaker 1:It would have capped more or would have had more power. Punch to it, right. But you learn, bro, it's part of the process and I feel like that's part of the whole part of growth, trial and error, and how much you wanted and how much how much you want to invest in it.
Speaker 2:Like it's all investment, bro, like I've learned that, like you really got to invest in yourself, yeah.
Speaker 1:No big facts. I mean look at this. We invested in this. You want to. I was trying to make this production as professional as possible, If you're not going to invest yourself.
Speaker 2:Investing yourself, sorry.
Speaker 1:And believe yourself.
Speaker 2:Who the fuck is going to invest their time in you?
Speaker 1:I was just about to say that I mean. I mean, if you don't believe in oneself, I agree with you.
Speaker 2:No, big facts, bro. That's just plain fucking, that's just plain simplicity. Like facts, bro. No, you're right. Because, plain knowledge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you, if you don't believe in you, how?
Speaker 2:do you expect them to believe in you? Exactly Right, this is honest.
Speaker 3:Yeah, bro.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you understand that. This is true, bro. It's very, very true in everything you do in life. I think it's safe to say that if you don't believe in oneself, can't expect the next man to believe in you.
Speaker 3:Shit that this motherfucker don't believe in himself.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to follow him.
Speaker 2:What do you mean? Human beings are fucking interesting people.
Speaker 1:We are, it's your dynamics.
Speaker 3:Interesting specimen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I have some. Yeah, that's why aliens.
Speaker 3:That's why aliens like you want to come down.
Speaker 2:Duck does, bro, you said they look at us like we look at ants. Bro, they do.
Speaker 3:I mean, they were like you, stupid Like they don't come this way, they take us to go, you fucking stupid.
Speaker 1:Dumb is fuck right. Yeah, I just like the restart.
Speaker 2:Because there's some slow moments. That's what happens when you get abducted and you wake up in your bed after you got some shit in your ass.
Speaker 1:That's fucking true, bro, and they just Mother fuckers. Is a problem up the ass, bro, like he fucking. Hey, that's what happens when you wake up. Put a problem up your ass? Oh, you don't mind, bro, it's in the fridge. He is in the fridge. Thank you, bro. What's that noise shit that you'll see right there on the right on the right? It's in the podcast, bro. It's cool. We do this all the time. I'm also like we got re-upstakes shots on the show. All kinds of ratchet shit, man.
Speaker 2:Although I really, I really, I really salute you guys for doing that shit bro Bro I'm not.
Speaker 3:I'm not bad enough to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right there, really. Thank you, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, pour that up, bro, whatever you need, huh, don't leave it up. You'll leave it up, it's fine. You can put it on the chair right there, man. So you got, you got access to it. If you need one more, bro, but yeah, no. So like, I get what you're saying, though just a coin on that before we get into the pepper challenge. Man, when you got the probe up the ass not to push, not to push the joke any further Shut down for the night, and then you wake up on the ship when I pull up the ass, bro, no pause. Anyway, man, he said, no doubt, all right. So, man, just read up on his drink. We're good to move on, man. And then you want to add to that. I got the next thing already lined up that I want to ask my boy but is there anything you want to add to what we just spoke on?
Speaker 3:Not that, but I do have a question, though. Go ahead, shoot at him, I'll go next. Well, I was going to say could you walk us through the process of, I guess, releasing a single versus, like, releasing a whole album Project?
Speaker 2:Man, that's a fucking good question, bro, Yet definitely releasing the singles less stressful bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, because, like you, focus on one, so everybody has their own method.
Speaker 2:My method is now is I notice that people, bro, because I'm I'm, I'm not old bro, you know what I'm saying, but I'm not young, like I'm not the Gen Z generation, so I noticed that people's attention span is really short.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So so the way I look at it is like if I post a picture on Instagram and I'm like, oh, I'm dropping a single next week nobody's gonna want to fucking nobody cares, bro, nobody fucking cares.
Speaker 2:So I'm like, ok, what can I do? To the best of my ability, I notice visuals. Visuals is I mean people like fucking visuals, at least from from what I've been doing. So what I do is I'll do like a promo vid, right, and I'll do like a little short, maybe like 40 second clip promo vid with me wrapping to the track and then it allows people kind of like hear the song and see.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because and I and the reason why I do it, because it works for me as a listener. Like when I see somebody that I fuck with even like homies that I fuck with and they post a visual and then they post a snippet of the record, I'm like engaged to it, yeah. But if I see them just post a pic, I'm like oh, ok, for show Like it is what coming out soon, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So singles, when I do that, I literally it's more simple because all I got to do is that boom, you know, kind of promote it. Album wise is a lot different, bro, because it's your branding, that whole thing. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Like it's so many different songs in that you got to brand that shit, so it's like OK, how am I going to brand it?
Speaker 2:What is going to? It's like you got to. You got to step out the boundaries.
Speaker 1:I can sell it being different.
Speaker 2:Like me, like do you want to do like a little movie skit that kind of introduces to your album and do like a little movie skit and whatnot and have your music playing in the background, have some like extras acting in it or whatever, anything from clothing line to to filming like a scenery or whatever it is. So that's what's taking me a little longer with this album, because I'm still trying to like grasping that way to engage the viewers of how they want to be excited to hear my shit, what's going to be different where you're going to be like.
Speaker 2:Damn, I wish I would have done that. You know what I'm saying. Like I seen this one cat that JJ actually shot me, bro. I never heard this motherfucker bro. He's from the AV. You like it? You know who I'm talking about. Right, I think I know who you're talking about. I forgot his name, but he's fucking dope, Like this cat's dope, bro. Like I've never I've been in the AV, bro, and I've never heard this guy.
Speaker 1:Has he always been out here I don't know.
Speaker 2:Jj just said this was from AV and I saw his shit. And then he had this video where it was him rapping he's like, he's like, he's like driving right, and then the camera's from outside the car but it's filming the rear view mirror and it shows him and he's staring out the window and he's rapping, and then it transitions to another song which is so fire, and then it shows like the movie credits on it, Like if it's like a movie that engaged me to want to know who he was.
Speaker 2:You know, what I'm saying. Those are things that I look at to like how to promote an album, like if I was to do something like that, like real engaging. You know what I mean, yeah, yeah. So, but you learn as you see, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks.
Speaker 2:Shout out to him. You know what? I gotta pull up his name, bro, because I gotta give props.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can props and props. I'm not a playful person bro. I gotta give him flowers on the show, bro, when they can hear him or they can smell him.
Speaker 2:JJ, if you send me so many funny fucking videos, bro, I gotta backtrack.
Speaker 1:You always send each other some fucks.
Speaker 2:I got backtracked like two days ago. I see some of the group chat. That's a great question. You know how?
Speaker 1:group chats are man?
Speaker 2:That's a great question, bro, because that really is very important.
Speaker 1:That's a good question, bro, to know the difference. I agree, I was school in the process.
Speaker 2:Today's the 11th. And you went through the Look how much your brother be sending me, bro, Like it's funny, bro, If he'll be sending you the funniest shit dog.
Speaker 1:And now, this is part of the process, right?
Speaker 2:Definitely. I mean, that's how you find people, though for example See, he just sent me this. He's from the AV he dope right. The concept is not there. God damn it, it won't show it.
Speaker 1:Oh, eli, eli, alexander, yeah bro, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was on the show. We had him on the show.
Speaker 3:Oh, for real.
Speaker 1:We had him on the show. Remember that, oh, you weren't here.
Speaker 3:though we weren't here for I was here in the front of him Like it was on the EQ Right on. Oh, yeah, yeah, Eli, yeah bro.
Speaker 2:So see how it has the movie credits and shit like that. Like to me that's art, bro. Like you gotta be an artist.
Speaker 1:Bro, he has a movie too, analo. Hey, shout out to Eli Alexander, bro.
Speaker 2:But the way the transition with the music is genius Like look that shit hard.
Speaker 1:Hey, I'm gonna go ahead and say it now.
Speaker 2:Like it's hard right.
Speaker 1:Hey, do you want to come back on? When he comes back on?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I'm with anything.
Speaker 1:Doesn't have you come back on the show these years, bro, Like I'm telling you I just found out about this guy two days ago.
Speaker 2:Bro, he's cool man Like legit two days ago yeah we met him. Like that question stands from what you said, like how do you go about promoting singles and albums?
Speaker 1:You know what I mean you learn off the energy Like that to me.
Speaker 2:I think he's promoting an album and I'm like I want to hear that shit. Yeah, Like.
Speaker 1:I want to hear it. Yes, so that's cool man. Hey Props, that's cool. Look, you're already talking. You're bigging on something we had on the show already, bro. We interviewed him back in March or May of last year him and his brother man.
Speaker 2:It all says all word of mouth. Man, that's the arrow that I came from, bro.
Speaker 1:Like I didn't yeah, so you can relate to him, bro. I think y'all would get along. Honestly, I came from bro, he's cool man. I came from an arrow bro, we're legit.
Speaker 2:I had me and the homie LeoDoc. We bought this machine where it'll print like five CDs at a time.
Speaker 3:I remember that shit bro we didn't have Apple Music.
Speaker 2:We didn't have Spotify man. The CD era Physical CDs, bro Like we would do that and I would write every single song People walk.
Speaker 1:Every single CD, I would write the album. And before the iPod, before Apple Music, bro, people would pass out, we would walk. People would go around with their Walkmans with fucking affordable CD players.
Speaker 2:Really pop-mopin' that Venice beat shit, that Venice beat shit. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:And they would just pass them out. Bro, like listen to my shit.
Speaker 2:That's what I would do, bro. I would literally just go everywhere man. Like yo you fuck with hip hop. I know you do. Yeah, check me out, bro. Like peep me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Check me out Boom $2, you know, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Here's a free CD. You know what I mean. Like, check me out. At that point you just gotta take a donation, huh?
Speaker 2:Whatever you going after that point, yeah, like I would be like hey man, if you got like $2, you know what I mean Like I could buy something to eat on the way back or whatever. But I did that whole thing, bro, for years. Like anybody can vouch for that.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know, I know, you know I can, I've been, I've really really really soft in the mud. I remember that shit, bro.
Speaker 2:I really soft in the trunk.
Speaker 1:I wasn't there during the beautiful blend days though.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's when I was in high school, early. No, that's right, I was a little bit after that.
Speaker 1:Then, right during the moonlight days, I was kind of there for some of it. Early mid right. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, we were just on our second.
Speaker 2:No, we were on our third album.
Speaker 1:Bro, that studio. I had to put this out there real quick. Aestalogy. Shout out to Leo, Legendary man. He's gonna laugh when he sees this. Bro, I remember they had their first studio. I don't know if that's the first one you guys ever had, right.
Speaker 2:The one that I stayed with. Yeah, that's where I met him.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the first studio they released to work out of bro. I got to go visit it. I remember that shit like it was yesterday. I hit this fool up. It was late at night. He had a bottle of Jack Daniels. A bro come through. I went over there for the first time. It was late at night, it was like 10, 11 o'clock at night. Just to see them record bro In a hot ass garage. We went in there. But you know what? I was actually impressed with what I walked into, because they had like it wasn't just the garage, bro, you went in the garage and there's like a cubicle in the garage.
Speaker 1:And you go in the door. You open the door and go into the actual studio.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, the whole section of the garage. Yeah, they built the booths and all that shit, bro, it was pretty hard dawg, so kind of legit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, legit, it was a couch in there. It was a couch in there a booth and man you know was it like soundproof?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yes, it was legit. It was a legit studio, a home built studio.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. Yeah, bro, it was legit, it's funny because I just kicked it with.
Speaker 2:Leo on Friday and we talked about the past and how he started when he told his pops like his story of how he created them. That's a whole another story, like in a whole another day, when you, when you talk to him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, how old are you, bro? 25.
Speaker 2:So you were born in what? 97?
Speaker 3:98. 98.
Speaker 2:Okay so so we're generally kind of in the same concept.
Speaker 1:Same same area, A little bit yeah, but like.
Speaker 3:I've seen the ending of what you guys have seen. How old were you in 2007?, 2007? I was like what?
Speaker 2:You were like 11?
Speaker 1:Eight or nine, eight or nine, I was 16. I'm feeling old right now. I'm feeling old right now.
Speaker 2:We used to even record, bro, like back then, like nowadays people can buy like an interface to record. We had a Tascam, yeah, bro, and a bunch of wires, bro, like I'm talking about like massive wires that just connected to a laptop. We had a fire wire that connected to the laptop. That connected to everything. It was a crazy. It was fun, though, man.
Speaker 3:A lot of wires.
Speaker 2:A lot of fucking wires bro.
Speaker 1:Facts bro A lot of shit, our first platform.
Speaker 2:It was dope, though Our first platform that we were able to push music online was SoundCloud.
Speaker 1:Bro, and remember that shit. Yeah, soundcloud back then.
Speaker 3:They did and Hot New Hip Hop. Remember, hot New Hip Hop yeah.
Speaker 1:In Dap-Hip. In Dap-Hip.
Speaker 2:That's where I dropped Blood Diamond.
Speaker 1:Oh, blood Diamond, that's where I dropped it, in Dap-Hip, in Dap-Hip, in Dap-Hip. Yeah bro, that's crazy. Those are mixtape websites, man.
Speaker 2:That was like our Apple music.
Speaker 1:Yeah, back then, bro, that was how you did it. You would just download a new track.
Speaker 2:Nowadays, you know how there's like you get SoundCloud. There's like a lot of like advertisements and shit.
Speaker 1:Back then it wasn't like that, bro, like you didn't even need to account or nothing. You didn't bro, it was hard. You go on there and just click download, oh yeah, and we would double check it like eight minutes it was a download level. What numbers are they?
Speaker 2:at Remember those days, bro. Yeah, I feel old as fuck. Son of a fucking damn bro.
Speaker 1:I was born in 91.
Speaker 2:So I'm about to be what?
Speaker 3:33 this year.
Speaker 1:Bro, yeah, you should have a Kevin Hart like damn Damn, we gotta get the one, like that.
Speaker 3:So you guys? You guys seen the cassette and CD player era up until now. Like what would you guys say as opposed to then what the new generation is missing?
Speaker 2:I would say personal impact. Good question. Yeah, I agree Personal impact, personal interaction, personal engagement yeah, bro, because back then at least you had to get out in the public Like trip out on this, bro. Personal engagement that's true, I'll tell you a story. Let's hear it. I was in high school dog. I was 16 years old and it was the first time that I've ever performed. We had a show at right here on Sierra Highway.
Speaker 1:Industry.
Speaker 2:Theater. No, it's called the it was. It used to be the best Western and it was a hotel, but they had like a venue and I remember dog like that. That was a time where my space was active.
Speaker 3:No, Yo, my space. Yeah, so I remember we had a show and I was like.
Speaker 2:I was like how the fuck are we gonna like push the shit out? So what I did in every class, dog, I put performing and I told every teacher can I write like I'm gonna perform this Friday that's smart bro. So I wrote every, every fucking period I was on dog. I will write it like performing this day pull up this age, this the money boom.
Speaker 3:I didn't think people were gonna show up. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:That shit was packed the fuck out Like it was packed bro. And then we had CDs and everybody pulled up with the money buying fucking printed out CDs with a bullshit ass label. Like we we did printouts with tapes, like like we taped it on the fucking case.
Speaker 1:No, that's dope shit bro.
Speaker 2:But it was a different time back then. Yeah, that's cool man, it wasn't it wasn't no Instagram, there was no Facebook.
Speaker 3:No, no, that shit bro, my space bro.
Speaker 2:But people knew that I rapped at that school, like when we dropped my first album ever. We were in a crew called Beautiful Blend. We made CDs, bro, like we bought plastic, plastic cases, we put the printouts in there and we made like about 130 bucks Like I sold it.
Speaker 1:Beautiful Blend. I remember that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it was fun, though. That's the difference, bro. Like I think now and then it's more fun, cause now, like I can post some shit on the internet and I and people that I've never met will fuck with it, but as opposed to like really printed out and talking to the people, and being real, having the interaction with them.
Speaker 1:Like, hey, bro, I really fucking what I just saw on stage. I'm gonna buy one.
Speaker 2:And back then too, bro, like nowadays, everybody fucking makes music bro. Every single body makes music. It's more of an image, but back then dawg, when you knew someone who made music, it was a big thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right Back then, bro, you weren't accepted. If you were wack, you were fucking wack.
Speaker 3:Exactly, and it let you know that. Yeah, that was a good thing.
Speaker 1:Trash were trash. You were ass, you were ass. I remember the first time I called up to a studio dawg.
Speaker 2:You know, the first thing that you know, the homie said was a you wack fool.
Speaker 3:And I was like I was like I just started Check me out. All right, get in the booth.
Speaker 1:He said check me out.
Speaker 2:It was really like honest back then, like that's why it was. I felt bad. I felt more of a rapper back then than I do now, like I feel like an MC, like a hip hop artist back then than I do now, because now everybody does it, so it's like it's hard to tell who's really about it.
Speaker 1:You know, but back then it was like who really got that smoke?
Speaker 2:Yeah, like back then it's like you heard. You heard names like oh this Memnok does it, or this person does it and then you wanted to know who they were. Like who the fuck is my city doing that shit? Like let me, let me hear him.
Speaker 3:If somebody say it today, it was an honor.
Speaker 2:Back then too, bro, and that's the difference and I love this question you said, because that's the difference between now and then. Now, if I told you about Memnok right the first thing, I'm not saying you would, but I'm saying the majority you're going to see how big his following is.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, right, you're going to go on his page.
Speaker 1:You're going to see his status and if it ain't big and you're going to go look at it and see First impression you already have that you already checked that.
Speaker 2:You already have that. So when you hear him it's really up to the music. But back then you, they didn't give a fuck how big you were, it was the talent. So that was, I would say, the back then bro. That's what I love about my era, bro, like the early 90s babies, is where the bridge and the gap, like we really stand, from the old school to the new school. When I started music, bro, I was really old school. In that process Everything was just CDs, downloading music off a line wire.
Speaker 1:I was that kid in high school.
Speaker 2:I was that kid in high school with a CD player and a headphones. I will pull out this big ass bag of CDs out of my backpack and I'll just flip the shit and just put that shit in my CD player.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, that was the walk man back then, bro.
Speaker 3:I think you guys knew how to your generation, knew how to value and appreciate you?
Speaker 1:Oh, of course.
Speaker 2:And even taking props from the people before us in the generation, like the generation next.
Speaker 2:I think that's what they're called, you know, because we're what fucking the millennials millennials and nowadays is like the Gen Z shit on us, bro, like they're like yeah, oh, like what's up, like you know, but yeah, but at the same time, I do respect this arrow too. Like it taught me, I learned a lot from the young, young crowd, bro, real talk. Like I've met a lot of artists that are like in your age range or even younger, bro, and I, instead of me, like what the fuck? I really took it to consideration. Like what do you guys do? Like, like, let me, let me study how you guys go about it in this, in this world we live in, because, like I said, everything's visual, everything's image, everything's how you carry yourself, how you brand yourself which is a big thing because it teaches you artistry.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. It teaches you how to stand out. So yeah, shout out to the Gen Z's bro straight up. Yeah, you know some jokes.
Speaker 3:It might just be missing a little bit of the respect for the art. Definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like people get really caught up on it. And don't get me wrong, bro, the music now is incredible. There's a lot of incredible, incredible music man like and how beautiful hip hop has just expanded as a genre. Man is like me, like I'm not. I'm not just one sub genre like. I'm open to everything and I respect a lot of the young crowd, bro, but I don't think they'll never know what it really felt like to really engage from, you know, artists that were from the 90s or the early 2000s.
Speaker 1:No, they won't know. They didn't grow up. That it's not that they don't really respect them, it's just they don't grow up. Yeah, they didn't grow up. And it's all love, bro, that's all that is, you know, but yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you this, man I'm about to be 33 and I feel more like ready than I've ever felt in my life. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I like that for sure, for sure. The hunger of fire is there, bro.
Speaker 2:Definitely man and and I'm excited man I'm blessed, I'm even blessed to be here to talk about this with y'all, you know.
Speaker 1:Hey, bro, again, we're happy to have you here, bro. Thank you for being here with us. Man, I love the hand clap. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:What I do what I do fuck with the younger crowd, though, especially to talk is that they're very curious about the past music. Yeah, like I've noticed, bro, like they're very engaged with the 80s music. Like, if you notice, like the style now, how much are people out right now? The style now, if you really think about it, 30 years ago, was the 90s. See the kids nowadays they dress like the 90s. Yeah it passes around. But if you look at the 90s, well, 30 years ago from the 90s, 60s, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm almost a damn near the 70s bro.
Speaker 2:You really think about it. It's not that far away.
Speaker 1:No, I remember and it would come back around and you see, you were in bell bottoms and shit it does, but it really wasn't and it's crazy.
Speaker 2:Like I look back and I'm like wow, like even this. Like I had like the young homies, bro, like people that are very like that do music, you know like shout out to the homies and they were like yo man, knock what you doing, bro? We about to throw a 2000s theme party and I was like 2000s theme party what you talking about. Yeah, if you like, wearing big clothes and 50 cent hats and I was like damn, I feel old as fuck.
Speaker 2:But it's bad ass but it's beautiful to be at the age to witness that, and that makes me understand the music way more so it allows me to kind of be open with the music.
Speaker 1:No big facts.
Speaker 2:Like when I make music. Now, bro, like I'm not trying to just stay boxed in to like I'm gonna stick to my sound.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But like, let's just see what that sounds like mixed up with some shit.
Speaker 1:No, I like that. You're always open to like to try that you know experiment.
Speaker 2:Who's your? Who do you listen to bro?
Speaker 3:I listen to a lot of gospel bro. Like you know the wine it's.
Speaker 2:I have not heard of them. The wine is this is this is come.
Speaker 3:How's the pronunciation is like contemporary gospel music. That's what it is.
Speaker 2:That's dope man? Yeah, but it's like it's pretty much R&B.
Speaker 3:It's like the R&B version of gospel bro.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna tell you something, man R&B. If it wasn't for hip hop and I learned how to sing, I would do R&B or R&Bs. Oh yeah. Yes, because if you hear my beat tape production, bro, like 1992 was a lot of R&B sound. It's not even hip hop beats, it's legit.
Speaker 3:R&B like.
Speaker 2:TLC, like even like Steve Mennight, like even 80, sound like R&B music like I love, because I grew up with my aunt and my mom as a kid playing Lauren Hill.
Speaker 1:He's even singing jazz to it. Jazz, I mean jazz.
Speaker 2:I grew up with a bunch of music.
Speaker 1:A lot of that stuff. I love the jazzy tip.
Speaker 2:you've been on too, bro, even like even different genres, like alternative rock, like like I. I've originally bro like the thing. The reason why I started making music as hip hop was because it was the cheapest instrument to buy was a no pattern to pin right, but originally I wanted to like play piano and learn piano music and actually be like a pianist and play jazz music or or or learn how to sing, you know.
Speaker 3:I'm saying like be a singer, but you know, you know parents can't afford singing lessons is all good.
Speaker 2:But I took into hip hop. But hip hop's always been in my life too, like heavy, and I realized, like you know, what I want to take a. I want to take a look at this, and once I picked up that pen and pad when I was like 12 years old, bro, I never stopped. It was, it was a dicting dog, like I had books, like compositions and composition bullshit as lyrics, bro, sucked, sucked.
Speaker 1:But it was so much you had. My boy had stacks. Yeah, you remember when you put up a competition book shelf with like composition books. Bro, stacks of composition books filled with his rhymes. That's crazy. Do you have any of those?
Speaker 2:I don't man. They're probably buried in a Leo's.
Speaker 1:Boy with physics. He probably hasn't buried in that there's no more over there. Yeah, is it?
Speaker 2:still there. It's the room's still there.
Speaker 1:You guys I was gonna say you guys, just fucking old time sake, just go in the booth, bro. We talked about it. We talked about it. One day we used that shit one more time in the studio. We talked about it. Man, that'll be hard bro.
Speaker 2:We talked about it in the studio's pops like, because it's pops, uses it for, like, storage and shit. Yeah, but we talked about it, man. It'll be cool, just to have a day, or rebuild that studio or some shit. Just use it, bro. One more time we used to get fucking lit in there bro.
Speaker 1:Bro, I'm telling you that on the first night Did I get to finish my story? I don't think I did Real quick though fast. Long story short. I don't mean to cut you off, bro, you get on me, I'm jumping real quick. That studio man, I remember it was late at night. We drove over there, fucking I drove over there, and then I got to hang out with them. I saw their studio for the first time. Bro, it was hot as shit in there. It was cool. You know you guys heard that part earlier, earlier, but it was dope because I got to really connect with these guys. That's when I met Leo for the first time and I took shots of Jack Jack with these fools and they were recording. I forgot what the fuck you guys were making back then, but you guys recorded some tracks.
Speaker 1:We had some shits and giggles, bro. We chilled, we talked, we laughed. I watched these dudes do their process. I was like man, this is hard bro. It was cool just to witness that. So back then, having that connection bro, I was like man, this shit is just a dope experience I've never been seen before. And just crazy because it was a booth, it was dope because it was like a little recording studio.
Speaker 2:It was small. I would say, bro, it was small About the size of this.
Speaker 1:About the size of this little here. We got right here but it was still cool because it felt like a legitimate. That was the closest thing that I saw to a real studio. You know what I'm saying. And nowadays everybody's doing that shit. They're trying to do it out there, closet, or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, nowadays you don't need a studio or a booth to record.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you don't really need a how they, but these fools had a legitimate. You closed the door and it was quiet in there.
Speaker 2:Technology has advanced so well where you know they've built mic compressors and you have a pop filter with like or that fucking little shield, my shield, that goes around and you don't need shit else but that.
Speaker 1:Now I got a mic People that record their studios are more for looks, bro, that's all. Yeah, nowadays you don't know, you know that shit. Yeah, to make it better, make it better.
Speaker 3:So for you guys, just seeing how the arrows changed between music and just how like technology and everything changed, it goes really well, it was kind of like. Was it kind of like out of your emotions, respond to it like dang, like I was, like I know, was like what I know and grew up on and what I am kind of like I was changing.
Speaker 1:I was changing bro. I was changing bro For sure, no, for sure, yeah.
Speaker 2:In the beginning I was definitely hating bro. I didn't want to change.
Speaker 1:Because you're like no, I'm so used to this Because I was comfortable and I was so good at it Is what you knew, but it's all you knew. It's all you knew.
Speaker 2:So and mind you bro, like, like, even in the mid 2010s like 2014, I was making music, but at that time I didn't really have the money to go to a studio record and when I did like when me and Leo will record, you know it was so time consuming because we had kids or work schedule. We had our women. You know, like you know it was, it was different, you know, and but at that time I wasn't learning about the social media, I wasn't learning about how to really promote yourself. So I was kind of fucking hating bro. I was like man, these motherf little motherfuckers are really doing it, facts, bro.
Speaker 1:And if I crazy, and yeah, see, and it's crazy how they would do it like man, that's all it takes, right? What about all the time and effort and money I put into this equipment? And it's just kind of like. I get it Like you say you got to learn how to you know, move at a time. You got to adapt to change. There you go. I mean, the bigger artists have done it. Yeah, they don't even see it.
Speaker 3:Artists that we look up to, I mean like the. Kanye's, the Lil Wayne's, they've been doing it for the same amount of time, I mean even.
Speaker 1:Drake, bro, like they were doing that time for it.
Speaker 2:That's why his career has been social longevity, because I mean he just adapted to his environment. It's incredible.
Speaker 1:No, that's what happened. Facts, big facts, bro, and that's the next thing I was going to ask you to M's. I got two more questions for you, bro, and then we can continue on with the next slideshow has anything for you. My next, my next question. I have two of them. How do you feel and we touched on this way back in the past because you've been on time, this talk before a long time ago. You and we were on a very long time ago with a arm shark 2018.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 2018 and arm shark back in the days were for where we'd have none of this year.
Speaker 2:We have one.
Speaker 1:We have one microphone and a garage band in the middle of the table with the we had sound effects.
Speaker 3:We're on Venice Beach. I remember that it was a good time though bro, that was a good time it was.
Speaker 2:It was growing pain years.
Speaker 1:I bring that up because I want to ask you a question, to ask you from then evolution to hip hop, do you like where it's?
Speaker 2:at now, just to give us a brief answer for it. Definitely, man. How do you feel? Is it cool? You think you moved to a good direction. I love it. Yeah, I love it because, like I said bro, like like I'm not only a fan of inspiration from the back then, but even now, like it's crazy because they're low key, kind of going back backwards, if you really look at it. I was going to say that and I noticed you adapted well to it.
Speaker 1:bro, you sound good with this new shit, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:I mean, I mean, I mean, I try, hey bro, I'll tell you for someone that and I'm telling you and I'm proud of you, bro, because I see such a diverse change from what he used to make to try to adapt. But it's not even I don't use that word, you didn't try, bro, you found a way to do it. You know what I'm saying. Like you know, I like this, I like the way it sounds now, way hip hop is. Let me see if I could do that. And you did your own version of it and it sounds good. Yeah, I mean, that's why I think deuces has a lot of that in it, bro.
Speaker 2:It also has a lot of older stuff.
Speaker 1:Like you said, it brings back a lot of stuff that people used to do back in the day Don't do anymore. It's been circling around kind of how, like when he was talking about earlier, where things from like nineties and earlier and earlier age stages of life kind of come back around. If you were doing it again, right, right, celebrating shit. So I feel like an old sound is making a comeback too.
Speaker 2:There is a genre for that, right now In hip hop, within a sub genre, within hip hop right now, most definitely, man, I mean, I don't know dude, like I mean, you know you, you, you go with the open road. You evolved well with it, but then in the end of the day I try to. I always try to like to keep, keep boxed in mentally wise like not, but I still.
Speaker 1:I still feel like you put in. Sorry, I'm gonna cut you off. You put, you, put, you still put a lot of you in there. Does that make sense? You know you sound different. Sure, you know Memnok music from 2024 doesn't sound like Memnok music from 2015. Fuck, no, but. But it's still you there. I can still sense. Yeah, I mean, that's the spirit of you is still there. That's where we stand from. That. I'm happy about that.
Speaker 2:That's it. That's that's from the beginning of you know like like what changes like pain. You know what I mean like yeah yeah, yeah, life. You know, you, you know, and I'm not saying like the older you get, the more you go through shit, because there's a lot of people that have been through shit as children, as in with people that have been through shit as older like me.
Speaker 2:I had. I had an amazing childhood, bro. You know I was given the really normal suburban lifestyle. It wasn't until I went on my own world and I experienced the most toughest things in life, from, you know, going on Welfare to having my electricity cut out to try to raise my babies on a minimum paycheck. You know what I mean, like things that I didn't go through as a child.
Speaker 2:I mean we struggled economy, economy, economic, wise with my parents, but they never showed it to me, yeah you know, and and for me is like it went reverse, like I really went through the shit, and I think that taught me a lot to really express the album deuces and the reason why it's called deuces is because it's almost Just saying goodbye to everything that molded me to what I am today- I'm what am I gonna be better than what I was today? And deuces kind of, is that? Is that constant?
Speaker 3:Yeah, cuz a lot of a lot of shit happens school.
Speaker 2:A lot of shit has happened where you can't change the past. You can't change what you've done. You can be proud of what you're doing. You know, you've been ashamed of what you're doing, but at the same time is like what's the next step? Yeah, just say peace to the past, let it go, and then move forward. You know, and then a lot of stories on that.
Speaker 3:Fucking problem. Yeah, the person who are today. Yeah, I had a hand in that bro, he's right, big facts man.
Speaker 2:That's cool.
Speaker 1:I like that book, that's really what it is and um, you know that today, cuz I'm having another question for now.
Speaker 3:And I was just gonna say just quite enough for what he just okay, everything he just explained. There's a Bible verse that kind of like. It kind of says, like it's metaphorically speaking, but it says something along the lines of, like you know, you got to test the purity of gold by putting it in fire.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah holds the refinery. That's such a good metaphor. Another words right in other words that's. That's really what it is bro, that's crazy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like, like the like, the good coming from the bad, you know, like beauty for action, I mean there's.
Speaker 2:it's the same thing. There's no day without night, there's no night without day, there's no rain without sunshine.
Speaker 3:That's a yin yang thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 3:Like it is the yin and yang. Yeah, like I don't ever want to like people think that beautiful means like happiness it doesn't know, it doesn't.
Speaker 1:How many? How many songs do you put out? Talking about the struggle my boy, yeah, a lot I appreciate pain, bro.
Speaker 2:I love pain and I accept pain because I Wouldn't, I wouldn't be able to appreciate value Also, honestly, also your music wouldn't be so relatable.
Speaker 3:I was gonna say that's what makes the music good.
Speaker 2:I was. I say makes it good because it's relatable you know you believe or not.
Speaker 1:It's like when logic had said it before in the past. He's like you know. It blew my mind when a fan told me that you're. This song saved my life. Yeah, I have no doubt in my mind that someone, someone, someone, somewhere, her, one of your tracks saved their life.
Speaker 2:It's actually already happened.
Speaker 1:I did this one thing yeah, sure bro, I don't doubt it.
Speaker 2:I did this one record. Forgot what the song was called, but it was Like okay, so I knew someone who was, who was a heroin addict, right? Yeah and I did this one track.
Speaker 1:I remember veins. Yeah, I told you I like that one. I spoke a good song, bro. It's deep but it's a good song. Yeah, I spoke through my perception and.
Speaker 2:I always ask the person can I have permission to write about it?
Speaker 3:And I, and I wrote this song.
Speaker 1:I like how you wrote it.
Speaker 2:It was a good one, bro, speaking about like, because a lot of people don't understand about addiction man. They look at the person and it's like man.
Speaker 1:He's just judging what project it was a blue notes, that's right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, good and man, bro, I remember I wrote that shit and I and that person that that heard it, like it got him through it, bro, like it really got him through it, and and it made me, and it made me realize like, wow, like there's music that you want to be the shit, and the person like, yeah, you dope as fuck.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I dress tight or whatever. But then there's those people who's like man, your music really helped me and when I heard that I was like wow, like it made me feel honestly, like Like damn, this shit, this shit really is worth something.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, yeah, of course, absolutely. It's a lot of value there that we don't appreciate.
Speaker 2:You don't know you don't know what people go through behind a smile, and I said that in one of my latest singles of the sender feeling and I and I said that you know you hide behind a smile. People don't know what you're feeling. You know it's killing everything that's living to you. Like what was the bar bro? That shit was crazy. I forgot what the bar was called, how I said it, but I remember.
Speaker 2:I invited out with JJ the other day and I really thought about that verse, and that verse talks about personal things that I go through because you know we all have some battles, bro. You know what I mean Like yeah.
Speaker 2:I would say this older I got, the more I struggle with certain things personally. But Music really has helped me. You know, balance the the mind for me to not lose my sanity. You know like it's crazy, bro, like being a dad, being a single dad, going to work every day, balancing it with life. You know, not not knowing how you gonna pay your rent the next day. You know what I mean. Not knowing, not like worrying about your family members that are going through shit like it's a real fucking world out here.
Speaker 2:You know, and and Like, even even being here, being a part of this, is like it, like this is therapy for me, dog, like, yeah, being able to just kind of talk to you guys, like it's all it's no of course.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm saying like like this album, that I'm gonna tell you something straight up, bro Like working on this album has been one of the most realest like situations ever, because back then I would do albums just to do I'm. But this album is really, really personal, like I feel like I'm living. I'm actually living through it lyrics to man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cuz like I dropped albums writing with meaning yeah Well, I know there was times where we told me, like brah, I'm not feeling it. I don't know what to write right now.
Speaker 2:Here's where I'm coming from. It's like back then I will write albums just because I want the homies to bump it.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 2:mean Like just bump my shit, like I don't know real deep yet, but now, like every time I hear a song that I make, I get in that mode and and it's like really my life, like it's crazy, and I used to see interviews with rappers talk about that like all this my life, this and. I'm looking at them like what? What do they mean by that? Like just rap. You know what I mean. But now I'm really understanding.
Speaker 1:By that. I really understand and you know what it? You just said something that's interesting to me, bro, that maybe that's why Now it's your time yeah, I mean, think about it, because maybe back then you were doing it for the wrong reasons, bro.
Speaker 3:But now that now you're just doing it now.
Speaker 1:You're just doing it and it feels natural to you. And look, now it's starting. Yeah, yeah, it's catching traction.
Speaker 2:Hip hop is the most stressful genre as an artist, bro, okay, over any genre. I'm sorry to say dawg, because what else from it is a competition, like it's your personal life. But then there's a competition. Yeah there's people that are out in the same city as you fucking hating or talking to shit, or Wanted a place, a fucking opinion, or, if their opinion don't matter, if, if they're, if, if, if, if, if your, if their vision doesn't match what you're in, then you suck and I and I went through that bro.
Speaker 3:I believe in many visions, bro.
Speaker 2:I believed in a lot of visions, even though I've been doing it for a long time, and that should Shied me away from making music as a rapper for a long time, until last year, and I was like you know what the fuck? Who are these people? They sleep, they eat, they shit, just like I do.
Speaker 1:Yeah they're not God. Big facts, bro, just cuz look, they can do it, so can you, bro you have to have the same and you are doing it. Yeah, I think people you know you're already doing it, bro, you're more. I'm sure you agree, do you?
Speaker 3:see it.
Speaker 1:You see it in your, in your music, bro, and music and the results. Bro, you're not doing that's the best part. I don't even think you're doing it for that anymore, but you're still getting them now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean I, you're making moves, you know it's really. It's really. How do you say it's really tricky to? How do you how I put words Right, like I don't give a fuck about the image, but then I'm posting videos of, of course, but no, but it's not. It's, it's how you approach it, it's not. Yeah, you're right. I was just about to say that there is nothing hypocritic
Speaker 1:about it bro, it's your artwork You're putting it out. That's it right now, not even that. You're posting stuff because that's part of the vision. What you mean, bro, right, no, no, that's. You're posting that because that's. You saw that, not just to promo it. That's part of the whole Message, bro of it.
Speaker 2:You know I'm saying so.
Speaker 1:So now, that's just part of your vision, bro. It's not just a promo that's. That's part of the whole package of the work that you put up to put out. It's probably one of the realest.
Speaker 3:It is. I have a hat.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it very personal I like it, Thank you, but we like it too.
Speaker 3:Man Just listen into you talk, bro. Just like describing the whole thing I was just listening to put it kind of put an imagery in my head. I am you when you were saying you know you were doing all of that with like and even feeding your kids like no money, kind of thing, I'm like dang like my. My boy was over here surviving with nothing in his wallet but faith.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's really, I remember there was a good testimony.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll get.
Speaker 2:Personnel which are, cuz you know nothing, scripted. There was a situation I remember, bro. It was back in, like I would say, 2016, right.
Speaker 2:Those. We were living with my mom's at the time me and like my kids, mom and shit. And you know shit happened. We moved out. We were staying at my brother's apartment. It was like five of us in one room and you know we were on welfare that time but welfare wasn't giving us our check. For some reason. They were waiting for like some type of mail and we needed to move out, bro, like we had to find an apartment, right, and I remember we were in that line and for those that are on welfare, y'all know what that fucking line is. Like you know, I'm saying and I remember, bro, like she, my kids mom, went in and we, we were, we were just waiting, me and my kids, you know me and they come out nobody wanted to help us, bro, nobody wanted to help our account, nobody.
Speaker 2:And then this beautiful woman. She was so concerned and she helped us and she came out of nowhere, bro, and made sure that we had money. And we got like three grand on her on her Cash, cash stamps. And I remember breaking down crying, bro, right there, right there at the welfare line, bro, like crying and grateful and like yo, we get to get our own apartment, like we can actually like have some place to stay. And it was a wholesome experience, because I remember that that lady was crying too, and those are things that I will always hold cherish dearly to me, you know. Now now.
Speaker 2:Financially, bro, I'm gonna keep it a buck. I'm in a very good place financially, you know. I'm saying like I have a really good paying job, but it you know, for a long time. I know what it's like, bro. I know what it's like to not know what to give your kids or to have the lights cut off and, you know, have the candles on and eat fucking you know cup of noodles heated up at the microwave at the liquor store. You know I'm saying like I know all that shit, bro.
Speaker 3:Have enough to feed your kids, but not yourself.
Speaker 2:I know all that shit and I stem from that and, like, I'm a product of that, you know and, mind you, like I said, it's weird because as a child I had never, I'd never experienced that. You know what I mean and it's weird, you know, especially, you know how big facts.
Speaker 1:I never experienced that either. The child never. So for you to be an adult on that experience, that bro yes, it's it's like what side y'all take one.
Speaker 2:It definitely humbled me, man. Like you know, it taught me a lot in life. It taught me to never judge people and and to always help my jew.
Speaker 3:Like really, really help bro, like that's why I say you don't know what's behind a smile if you see someone smile a lot.
Speaker 2:They're the ones that are in. That's hurting, yeah, usually they're the ones that pain. When you ask a person, you good.
Speaker 3:Just got deep.
Speaker 2:You ask somebody they're good and they say they're all right. They're not a right. I'm for the for the majority. You know, I mean like yeah, it's a beautiful, beautiful thing and to me music like. That whole time going through that music was really like.
Speaker 3:Holding you, holding me, bro, like I wasn't recording at that time.
Speaker 2:But I will write every day right, right, right, right and then fantasize. I remember logic was a huge, huge, huge part in my life because I would fuck with logic before he blew up like it was 2008 dog. You put me on to him, bro. He was called psychological.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bro, I Undeniable three. You put me on the next night. I will you put me on to that one.
Speaker 2:I was like At that time, I was like I was almost like living through him, because I was like man that would have been me, like I would have been him. I would have fucking been him if I never stopped. You know, that mean yeah no big facts, bro.
Speaker 1:You were. I'm gonna be real man, I'm not trying to shit on you know, logics, rain or whatever? No way, by no way. A little bit respect for logic, and I'm gonna put that out there first, before I even say this next part, what I will say. You were up next, bro, had you not stopped key club, all that. Let's be real, I'm just being honest, not saying he wouldn't have been up there with you. You would be, he would have been your peer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's okay. I honestly believe that, bro. I do too. I really do. It was a good. It's not too late for you. I told you like it was. I tell you that momentum was solid.
Speaker 1:My boy was growing in and what happens?
Speaker 3:you know like then all distractions all this shit, I don't you know, I don't think it was by chance, man, cuz you know, everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 1:I really believe that, yeah, maybe there's, maybe there was a sign down for you, bro.
Speaker 2:I feel like if I would have found success at such a young age, I probably would have become an.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3:Yeah or my music.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't have never know as interested in music, I wouldn't have succeeded. But that's why I say pain, is why I feel like I'm at my most best ability of making music. Like, honestly, I really feel that from the bottom of my heart, I'll die with this shit. Pain has really Molded me to be the best that I can be and I'm not the type of rapper. No more to be like. I'm better than everybody. It's all subjective. To me it's like I'm the best I've ever been yeah like I have never been.
Speaker 2:I'm the better than any mem knock version that I've ever been. I'm gonna humble you right, it really, does man it really really?
Speaker 3:does.
Speaker 2:Really does man, and it makes me more in touch with humanity. Like I look at a person and now look at you in your eyes, and your eyes will tell me your story before you will.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like I, would never look at you like somebody that I Judge just because of your demeanor who you are or whatnot, or where you came from. Like and let your eyes tell the story.
Speaker 1:We took such a deep route, man. My next question was not deep at all. No, no, of course. This time let's talk, bro. You know I'm gonna do. We bounce around on this, on this, on this, on this podcast sometimes, man, but if you don't mind me charming, is there more you?
Speaker 2:want to add to that? All right, no man, I'm just going with the flow. All right, cool, I want to make sure you were done before. I jump in.
Speaker 1:It was good, bro, hey man yeah this is one of those moments where we're gonna shift it now to my next question, but before we do that, I want to tell you thank you for for taking us on that little journey just now. Man, I give him to some personal well, thank you guys for opening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, sure To hear it too, bro, honestly they need exactly.
Speaker 1:They need to hear it honestly.
Speaker 2:So for that alone, that alone, bro, we applaud you, man, because it takes a lot, bro, to do that every time I hear this clap I feel like, like it takes me to like some MF doom vibes with a red curtain behind me and I'm about to hear that song with shawty. You know what I mean Like.
Speaker 1:I love that clap.
Speaker 2:That's facts.
Speaker 1:It's dope right. Yeah, how's that? How's that feel to it?
Speaker 2:man.
Speaker 1:You know. But on my next question, man, it's like a little little less deep. But Rap beefs, man, did you have a lot of those? I know you had some in your earlier stages.
Speaker 2:He looks like you ask me that shit.
Speaker 1:man Of course you can, my boy. Yeah, rap beefs. Did you have any beefs, or substantial, it could be local or local. Counterfeit, because he's talented to.
Speaker 2:Say no name. There was, there was one beef that actually made it, and this was back in the days, my space days, bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, let's hear about it.
Speaker 2:It was a beef and shout out to our MF man they're my brothers of the reason I started rapping, yeah, but it was, you know. And shout out to the homie red plague, it was, it was some hip hop shit, it was. All hip hop, we beefed it, we perform together and then the vibes just went there with that guy and you know shit was sad he wrote shit on my space.
Speaker 2:I thought it was we thought it was a group. We almost beefed it with the group. Then we spoke and it was him. We did some diss tracks together and we don't know who the fuck. There was some diss tracks you didn't have that in the city you know, and you know, he surprisingly went off.
Speaker 1:Did he? There was this track story.
Speaker 2:He went off, and that was the only time. Then later on in years I really never really experienced like rap oh like, yeah, rap beefs, know, but like artists that I don't fuck with now, yeah, it's free to fuck up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I won't say no names.
Speaker 2:You know. You know who you are, bro, like you're gonna know who you are. Yeah, you know, there's some. There's some people that I found out talking shit behind my bad Complimenting. That's what that song I wait is called. Yeah, you know and you know. But I know I hear shit, bro. I hear shit behind the curtains and the truth always comes out, you know yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you this I'll tell you this, bro, just don't say my name. Don't say my name on a record. You could talk to people behind my back. You could say what you want. I'm gonna hear it. Yeah, but if you're man, unless and tell you're a man enough to talk to me and tell me in my face Well, we'll keep it cordial.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean we'll keep it cordial.
Speaker 2:Ain't nothing got to lead to violence? Nothing, you know. We'll keep it hip-hop. We'll just be some too poetic man rapping over, beefing it over poetry. It sounds kind of corny when you say it but I'll tell you this like just just don't mention my name, bro, that's it.
Speaker 3:That's nice.
Speaker 1:Don't mention my name cuz when that happens, then you're gonna come for the throat.
Speaker 2:You know like I'm a humble. I'm a humble man, bro, but when it comes to this rap shit, you can't fuck with me. You cannot fuck with me and they do, you come.
Speaker 3:Every rapper feels that you know yeah.
Speaker 2:You cannot fuck with me. Don't, don't, don't open them doors up, bro. And I know you heard that song and I know you know it's about you. But I'm telling you straight up don't open them doors, bro. It's a warning, that's all it is.
Speaker 1:So, over as you see this, you gonna know what that is.
Speaker 3:He got the Thomas crew standing behind them too. Oh, he said, you don't want it.
Speaker 2:Respect to you and what you do. You know I'm saying I've always fuck with you as a person. I will always fuck with you as a person. I would never be like you whack out of nowhere. That's what I heard, but don't that that one person? You talk shit to me, talk about me. To keep it at that, bro. That's yeah, keep it clean. Yeah, we'll keep it clean.
Speaker 1:Man right there, we'll leave it there because you know I get said he's been respectable about it. You could easily blew you out on this podcast right now, but I wouldn't do that because yeah bro, I'm 30.
Speaker 2:I'm about to be 33. Ro, yeah, I got two kids, man. I course there's so much more shit.
Speaker 3:I'm worried about them more important things going on my energy on a human being not benefit my vision.
Speaker 2:We fix but if you open those doors, I will make a puppet out of you.
Speaker 1:You don't find it, Don't come see you to find it, bro but that's, that's it.
Speaker 2:That's, I'll leave it right there, you know, okay, cool.
Speaker 1:All right, cool, we leave. That says one was my next question. You are an instigator. That's how we move outside roll okey.
Speaker 2:We'll be adults about it and do your thing, I'll do my bro. Salute, that's it.
Speaker 1:You heard him here, bro. Oh, the gun shots are just for it, just for it.
Speaker 2:Let's go back. Let's go back to positivity. It's just that's.
Speaker 1:Bro, I just want you to know. That's what it was. I'm not. I'm not trying to insinuate.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:Everybody had a Windows.
Speaker 2:XP and they're like Hating here in that shit. That shit took forever, that's not the four squares, one is it.
Speaker 1:Yeah that's it, bro. Well, Dell had Windows XP on it.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, the Dell had that, bro. That's it. What's it Dell?
Speaker 1:There was a type of computer.
Speaker 2:I think, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Dell had Windows on it, yeah it is okay, so Dell, that was the computer brand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the operating system was.
Speaker 3:Windows, microsoft Windows, right, yeah, the only look I came in when that was the era was just ending.
Speaker 1:You did, you did, bro, I grew up with the windows.
Speaker 3:You were born.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying. I'm not saying I actually consider no way.
Speaker 2:you are a millennial way.
Speaker 1:Well, I don't know, no.
Speaker 3:I.
Speaker 1:Do you know, man? Okay, so, man, this is a good episode so far, brother. I really appreciate you here. Man, you know I'm saying what we're gonna keep it too, too much longer. But before we wrap things up, man, I was gonna be quiet asking what my final questions were. Did you have anything you would for me? One of the ask for we move on.
Speaker 3:Honestly, I Probably should just keep my mouth closed because, honestly, we just keep a good conversation.
Speaker 1:Honestly, bro, that's a big part. I was like this shit can be two hours and 40 minutes if we're not careful, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what? This is? Amazing fucking interview, probably one of the best interviews.
Speaker 1:I've had and I mean I really appreciate that means a lot.
Speaker 2:It's very wholesome, you know, but unfortunately I got to take my baby girl out. No, of course it's up our daddy and daughter day.
Speaker 1:That's fine, so we can wrap it up here. But before you take officer what's up, I need the, I need you. I don't put you on the spot, bro. You got a bit of freestyle for us, man. Yo you can pick one out, brother, you got, you got the luck, unless you want me to lock it. No, I had to do it, bro.
Speaker 2:I gotta do it I used to be like I bro that I will. I will freestyle, I'll perform and I'll be like throw me words. I'll tell the crowd to throw me words and oh, you one of those.
Speaker 1:It's still that. You still that guy bro.
Speaker 2:I've done it for so long. I just need to find some bar that can kind of help me start the momentum.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't want to fuck it. That's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 2:I'm to me talking all tough and shit.
Speaker 1:Bro, especially if that motherfucker watches this shit.
Speaker 3:I gotta come to freestyle. You just got a man bro.
Speaker 2:I'm really gonna call out names. Damn it, freestyle.
Speaker 1:You gotta do it.
Speaker 3:That's mad. 2000s, bro, You're like shit bro.
Speaker 2:Let me see what beats we Some, some, some.
Speaker 1:DJ, like when you're wrong, when you in there getting the mix on black. You're not your boy, bro.
Speaker 2:That the end of. Anyways, why I find a beat.
Speaker 1:Let's just, let's keep talking all right, I feel you, man. Okay. So, man, before I keep inciting some, some ignorant what do you call that pushing you? Pushing you down the road? You don't want to go, man, I gotta bring out the old mem knock. You know saying I got, I got to bring them out just for a second, bro. You know saying whatever flows to the mind, bro, you just pop out with those lyrics.
Speaker 2:All right, yo, man, I'll be the name case you didn't know. Through the frames I demand taint. When I spit flows MC in the brain. Let's look better, get chores all about mine. For the cash, I gotta get more. And yo it's mad. Knock for life. And I'm a rapid to the fullest. Where the cash are not, see, I've been in it for the music leaving MC sleutas. Gotta prove it, do it. If you think that you can come and not wrap this blueprint, I'm switching it up. I'm throwing up repping that west side past me. The blunt homie, don't front, you don't stay. Fly chilling with us. Better have the appetite of a king. And now that's for y'all. I'm home.
Speaker 2:When I rap to a beat, the savage speaks was threatened to be coming at me, and if you do, you bet they have a fucking arsenal with you grilling rappers outside Just like a barbie. You do get in the mood. Then just talk about the shit that we do Hold up. This is mad knock, homie. You know I just got to start. Never mind, dog, I'm wrapping up in time this talk. That's how we get it, dog, you know I gotta go. I ain't your average Joe, but I got the sickest flow coming with the blows dog. You know I gotta get it. When you know me, fucking chief, and with this coyote homie, never fucking want to go and blow me. I ain't talking on that shit, dog. I swing swords like Shinobi. Oh, I'm Kobe switch the beat dog.
Speaker 2:For those that don't know me, I don't give a damn. I was young, sipping on that 40s, addicted to the Stokey, dripping on the 14 with a gas under my seat. But you don't know me, I keep it clean like public washing machines. That's how I handle things. Don't discriminate. Battle me, dog. You know you're fucking straight up. Get eliminated. Back to the project. You know I'm never stopping straight up hip hop. And check my wallet. It's not just filled with cobwebs. Check your options. I'm never stopping. I'm just straight up hip hop. And this is the legendary type of style I'll make you girl smile. Why'd she fucking look it in your fowls, dog? You a loser, straight up, fucking microphone abuser.
Speaker 3:Back to the program.
Speaker 2:You know that I'm the dope man. I'm just dope man. Point at you like I'm uncle stands, keep it steady. When I rock the bells, you know I'm fly as hell. I swear to God I'll never prevail when I inhale. But when I exhale, you know it never stopped. Mem knock the fucking top of the rock. I keep it hard like it's bedrock. And I ain't talking about the flin stone, mem knock. I swear to God. Sometimes I think I'm skit. So I'm living in pain. I breathe the rain, can't complain. Every time I maintain that's just the way I handle things. This is freestyle. You know that. I just never keep it. I don't give a damn. You know that. I just gotta consume. I'm in the room chilling in the kitchen. Can't dismiss it. When I be living, I'll shit on your composition. You can't dismiss it. I'm so wicked dog. You know everything I spit is so fucking pivot work. That's it. That's it. I am not freestyle in a long time. You know what those felt like, uh.
Speaker 3:I don't come all the way around the table to shake your hand, bro.
Speaker 2:Hey yo, I appreciate that man, and we're leaving it right there Yo facts time to talk. I appreciate that. I appreciate that, bro. Nah, I appreciate that, bro. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Thank you so much. I was talking about you.
Speaker 3:Thank you, thank you for your offer, Sure bro I don't mean to disnobody man, but this is the first time I've ever heard somebody freestyle in person that I didn't have to fake the.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shots fired, bro. I know shots fired, but bro that and the fact that he just kept going Nah, yeah, and the fact that it made sense, yeah, that's hard to do bro. I really appreciate that. That's hard to do bro.
Speaker 3:Bro paused and it picked up from where he last left off. All right, that's right. Oh my god, that's right. No, no, bro paused and picked up from where he left off. That was the rhyme right there.
Speaker 2:No, pause and picked up from where he left off.
Speaker 3:That's like no, bro. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:That was hard, bro. Thank you so much, man.
Speaker 2:But yeah, man, I appreciate you kind of bringing that out of me and kind of really like, like, made me step out of them boundaries.
Speaker 3:That I had came out the closet huh In the right way. He's in the right way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's funny man. Hey, bro, before we head out, man, I like to keep people this last moment to kind of like Put in their tidbits, like what you got going on in your life, what can they expect?
Speaker 3:if you want to drop in release dates, what's?
Speaker 1:going on. Definitely Um, if you haven't actually heard.
Speaker 2:My last single is called I'll wait. It just dropped about a week ago peep that shit out, people. My other singles I was gonna be on the album deuces deuces is yet to be announced, but that album's dropping this year and I promise y'all when I'm in, I'm in dog.
Speaker 1:We're gonna be back for that too, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you already know. You already know, bro, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I appreciate you, brother. No man. Thanks again, brother, for everything for being here. It means the world to us, man. Yeah, yeah, that's just there, bro. Thank you so much, man. Before we head out, though, of course I gotta give a slight chill to the floor and we'll quit one last time, brother, what you got for me.
Speaker 3:Honestly, bro, I just want to say thank you again for coming on man.
Speaker 2:I didn't know.
Speaker 3:I didn't know what to expect. I knew it was a long time coming and we've been waiting for you Me.
Speaker 2:He told me about it. I already fuck with your energy, you know. I mean appreciate that, bro, you're a solid individual. I could sense your spirit and your energy, bro and I.
Speaker 3:I'm honored man. Yeah, thank you, bro. You've been a big inspiration to me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we really have, bro. Honestly it's been, it's been a blessing bro.
Speaker 2:You know I like I respect you guys doing what you guys do and setting time aside and going to work. Like you, you know Telling me what you do and and you know knowing what you do Like. I have nothing but the utmost respect for you guys and thank you, just keep it going, bro like you know I'm saying no matter how hard life gets, bro, it's always gonna fucking sunshine. The sunshine is going pure somewhere.
Speaker 2:That's right, you know I mean for real. It's always gonna appear one way or another. Dog life is really beautiful. It really is.
Speaker 1:No, it really is.
Speaker 2:man I'm gonna say bro, like we take that shit for granted. We really do. Just look at the sky, man, and look at yourself. Stare at yourself in the mirror and tell you you love yourself, bro. Yeah, no one's been through every single moment, but you, you, your best friend. Yeah, no one's been through this shit, even your mother, your father, your brother. They don't know you like you do, bro, you know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying Like you got yourself and tell yourself you love yourself.
Speaker 2:Man. Amen, sometimes you just got to stare at that reflection and look at yourself and need fucking eyes and be like I love you bro.
Speaker 3:Man, that's where it's deep. That's great. Yeah, it's deep when you do it, mm-hmm, that's great bro.
Speaker 1:Thanks again, man. See what's real tight, bro. Appreciate it, man. Thank you, man. All right, cuz I was gonna ask for a few more minutes. You're trying to play some beats, bro, but I know you gotta go, so we could say that for next time, you know yeah we will.
Speaker 2:We can meet up one day when we just fix on free styles and should have a session with a bunch of mcs. I think that, bro, they actually they be down to come on.
Speaker 1:I'm saying that's why I said you come on with Eli, bro, have y'all go back and forth. That'll be cool, man, it'll be hard, bro. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Well see, I don't want to say it like that I would say it's you on his level.
Speaker 1:Oh man it's. I don't think, I don't know, bro. I mean he's good, though he's definitely good.
Speaker 3:Nobody that's been brought on yet, bro been on that level, bro.
Speaker 2:I really, really appreciate that man.
Speaker 3:Thank you Nobody bro, I mean that genuinely. Oh my god, that means a lot. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, man.
Speaker 2:That really makes my day, bro. Thank you so much.
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